FC Wards split is legitimately awful

[StimulusChick]

Mayhap you reserve your judgement until the first round of lottery is over. You assume that everyone wants a personal house but perhaps, there are many FC's that haven't been able to secure a house because there are none available...due to them all being owned as personal houses.

Go forth FC owners and claim your right to housing!

[StimulusChick]

Nice screenshot skills, first of all. Secondly, yes it is me. Anything else you would like to know about me or do you wish to participate in the topic of this forum thread? I assume you are here to discuss and not pull posts from public discords to paste all over the internet, though, I could be wrong.

/shrug

[Kyssa]

/Popcorn

[StimulusChick]

Wow, I got a sequel!

So, what are your thoughts on this subject? Are you an FC owner hoping for a house to keep your brood warm and comfy or are you someone who wishes for a personal sanctuary in which to stalk public discords from? How would you make the system better if the lottery is not your ideal solution?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Kyssa]

Wow, I got a sequel!

So, what are your thoughts on this subject? Are you an FC owner hoping for a house to keep your brood warm and comfy or are you someone who wishes for a personal sanctuary in which to stalk public discords from? How would you make the system better if the lottery is not your ideal solution?

Inquiring minds want to know.

You posted in public places. I doubt it was that difficult to discern who you were between the 2 mediums. Dramatic ca-ca stirring? I can give you that, but it's not stalking.

edit- You posted your name. For the love of Lala's - - GOODNESS.

[muras4ki]

Assuming SE either wants to push housing towards FCs, or has hard numbers to back up why they are splitting it this way. I would be very surprised if the FC wards don't fill at the same rate as the personals. A 2-person FC is just as valid as a 50-person one. The 30 day requirement will deter people/bots making new FCs, and by the time 30 days passes, Ishgard will all be claimed.

[Jojoya]

Assuming SE either wants to push housing towards FCs, or has hard numbers to back up why they are splitting it this way. I would be very surprised if the FC wards don't fill at the same rate as the personals. A 2-person FC is just as valid as a 50-person one. The 30 day requirement will deter people/bots making new FCs, and by the time 30 days passes, Ishgard will all be claimed.

A FC with only 2 members can't buy a house, unless you're talking about 2 unique individuals with multiple characters in the FC.

FC wards will be filling fast because RMT has been preparing for this day since Empyreum was announced and the initial lottery detail released back in November. They already knew what needed to be done even if players were caught off guard because they weren't paying attention and thinking out the repercussions. They knew there would be a waiting period to work around and logically that period was going to be around a month. They didn't wait, unlike players that wanted to believe that the new system would be a magical fairyland that solves all housing issues and allow them to get a house first try. They were already setting up their FCs back at the start of the year. They're well past the 30 days they need to be eligible to buy.

The FC related changes (including the 30 day new member period) are only an annoyance. They are not a deterrent and definitely not an obstacle.

The only obstacle in this system is lottery RNG. How many legitimate FCs will be entering to compete against RMT? How many will manage to win over RMT?

I don't see the problem. FC houses are clearly way more in demand and the housing districts were always meant to be for FCs rather than 1 person owning a house they'll never use anyways. The amount of houses I see never used, with nobody around them is absolutely insane.

Besides, if you really wanted a house, you would have got one way before the lottery system was added. Your odds are much, MUCH lower now even if it was all private districts rather than FC.

Except FC houses are not clearly way more in demand. We know this from past ward additions. It's not FCs purchasing their first house that fill up the new wards in the absence of a personal purchase moratorium - it was the relocators who filled them up. Then as plots remained empty for weeks, players turned to create shell FCs for the sake of getting a personal house. There would still be plenty of open plots of most worlds when the personal purchase moratoriums ended and new buyers started filling up the plots that weren't worth relocating to.

FC houses are nothing like personal housing, they are basically a glorified tenant system where fc members can hang out, they have no say in any of the decoration, be it inside or outside, I dont know why other people even use it as an argument to justify fc houses being more important than normal houses, plus as I mentioned earlier, most fc houses are abandoned and used for submarines, a lot of the time even empty.

It's because FC houses have FC only content like the workshop and the ability to charge Grade 3 FC actions. FCs really don't have any good ways to raise gil for FC activities other than the workshop unless they're going to relay on member donations.

Of course you run into the flip side of the problem where individual players want access to that same content and the only way to get it is to create a FC so they can buy a FC house. Then they can have everything housing related at their finger tips. What's technically intended to benefit FCs ends up in the hands of individuals who are willing to bend the rules to get what they want while players who want to abide by the spirit of the rules go without.

this is going to sound slightly rude but wouldn't it be better to find a new fc? one that isn't run by one person that wants to decide absolutely everything

Ever try finding such a FC to join? They're rare. They're usually limited to close knit groups of friends who already trust one another. They generally aren't looking to add new members.

There's some justification for FCs keeping tight control over who has access to things like decorating and workshops. Unlock access to every member and you can find someone's hard work that was being enjoyed by most of the FC destroyed by a single member. Having someone working on a big project on the Fabrication Station and another player walks up in the middle of the process to cancel it, causing the first player to lose all the materials already used. Airships and Submersibles returned from a voyage get looted by a random member that keeps everything for themselves instead of putting it into the FC chest where it can be used to benefit the entire FC.

I understand the frustration by the OP and others. Bigger picture... if you want access to a house, join an FC. By the end of this, most (not all) FCs will have a house.

Joining a FC doesn't not give anyone access to a house. The access only exists if the FC Master (or the officers if they have the ability to set rank permissions) allows it.

Players aren't looking for a house to visit. There are hundreds of houses on every world already open to visitors. They're looking for a house to make their own.

[ElenaRedoran]

Ever try finding such a FC to join? They're rare. They're usually limited to close knit groups of friends who already trust one another. They generally aren't looking to add new members.

There's some justification for FCs keeping tight control over who has access to things like decorating and workshops. Unlock access to every member and you can find someone's hard work that was being enjoyed by most of the FC destroyed by a single member. Having someone working on a big project on the Fabrication Station and another player walks up in the middle of the process to cancel it, causing the first player to lose all the materials already used. Airships and Submersibles returned from a voyage get looted by a random member that keeps everything for themselves instead of putting it into the FC chest where it can be used to benefit the entire FC.

yes actually

the first fc i ever joined and still am in works like that. don't join an fc run by an egomaniac and you'll be fine

probably a skill i learned from dodging cesspool family guilds in WoW though.