Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[Quor]

I think the main thing we want is an acknowledgement of the feedback in some way shape or for. A statement that they're considering it at the very least.

But others have pointed out that similarly removed skills have been brought back in the past on these so called "minor patches".

Which I think I remember happening. Hagakure and Energy Drain. Granted, those had no statement made about it beforehand, nor did the removal of those skills involve an entire potency shift on the entire kit, but I imagine if they can alter potencies in any patch, major or minor, then this can still be done on either one, too.

With how vocal the SAM community at large has been, there should've been something by now.

In case anyone is interested, the exact patch where Hagakure and Energy Drain was added into the game was 5.05, which is the patch that added Eden Savage 1-4 into the game.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...c8cee52472b81a

So yes, there *is* precedent for adding/making job action changes in a smaller X.yz patch.

[ssunny2008]

With these changes, the devs are confirming they think the majority of us are incapable of learning complex rotations and can only follow the shiny buttons

They´ve already confirmed it with the endless MNK changes, SMN changes, and so on... It´s ridiculous how hard they shit on long-time mains just to continue with their braindead-route in kind of class- and gameplay-design to cater left-handed ppl and old granny.

They don´t even give af about all the complaints on the forum. Nothing will change as always, it´ll only get worse patch per patch. The only solution is to drop all the subs and to show them the middlefinger. To stop their income is the only way to change something.

[Soge01]

They´ve already confirmed it with the endless MNK changes, SMN changes, and so on... It´s ridiculous how hard they shit on long-time mains just to continue with their braindead-route in kind of class- and gameplay-design to cater left-handed ppl and old granny.

They don´t even give af about all the complaints on the forum. Nothing will change as always, it´ll only get worse patch per patch. The only solution is to drop all the subs and to show them the middlefinger. To stop their income is the only way to change something.

Oi! I'm left handed, mate! And I have no problem playing ANY of the jobs, past or present! xD

But seriously, I thought of this years ago when the devs got rid of staus ailments/debuffs: They'll eventually design themselves into a corner with all these simplification redesigns and will then be forced to actually put some effort into redesigning almost every job class to function as an individual job again instead acting as an homogeneous role.

If they were smart, they would leave the core of every job class almost nearly untouched, like they did with BLM and just build upon them slowly over time. Spreading out the work, if you will, so they wouldn't have to redesign these jobs every 2 to 5 years in the first place.

[AsiTsurugi]

... If they were smart...

That's a huge "If", one that's unlikely to be true given their choices in the recent and not-so-recent past.

[xAFROx]

That's a huge "If", one that's unlikely to be true given their choices in the recent and not-so-recent past.

Well, they used to give at least a few of the jobs that kind of treatment for a bit, at least. PLD, BLM, DRG, SAM, and RDM.

Now it looks like BLM and RDM have the most consistency when it comes to the core-growth ratio. Mind you, I don't have BLM on any character I've made, but I never seen any major change to that aside from Ley Lines getting the Greased Lightning Blood of the Dragon treatment into a trait.

But I digress.

[Ruminous]

I think the main thing we want is an acknowledgement of the feedback in some way shape or for. A statement that they're considering it at the very least.

But others have pointed out that similarly removed skills have been brought back in the past on these so called "minor patches".

Which I think I remember happening. Hagakure and Energy Drain. Granted, those had no statement made about it beforehand, nor did the removal of those skills involve an entire potency shift on the entire kit, but I imagine if they can alter potencies in any patch, major or minor, then this can still be done on either one, too.

With how vocal the SAM community at large has been, there should've been something by now.

Trust me, I've been wanting explanations too on why they went the route they did. You've even seen that too, since I know you're read other things I've posted. They haven't cared about what we thought since they can't even take 2 minutes at most to just say "we've heard you and we're planning something" or "this is fine, just live with it". Glad it isn't the latter at least, but still, the radio silence is already old.

[Soge01]

That's a huge "If", one that's unlikely to be true given their choices in the recent and not-so-recent past.

Which is why they'd have to create new core gsmeplay for every job. BUT! They're more than likely going to homogenize all job roles (except for a few, like BLM) at their core to their simplest form and build upon them that eventually will lead to individualization of every job. How much? I would take a guess at them being at most 25 to 50% more unique then what all jobs are right now. At least if they went that far, Jobs would more or less have an identity that couldn't easily be considered a reskin of one another.

[xAFROx]

Trust me, I've been wanting explanations too on why they went the route they did. You've even seen that too, since I know you're read other things I've posted. They haven't cared about what we thought since they can't even take 2 minutes at most to just say "we've heard you and we're planning something" or "this is fine, just live with it". Glad it isn't the latter at least, but still, the radio silence is already old.

I have indeed read quite a bit at this point. Mainly just the dps role forums as that's what I typically main, though currently at this point in time I am a GNB main, until such time as they fix SAM, I'll be using that for most daily content now if I'm not actively leveling something.

[CelestiCer]

The changes were unacceptable, and it felt lazy. If I go on my alt, where I have to do ARR? my Kaiten is gone filled with Shinten to AoE because I have no Kyuten. The descriptions on release also were not matching anymore. Even the Samurai Class quests had Tenka Goken still being a cone from a Samurai NPC you face. This all just indicates lazy changes, unpolished and almost random.

But, I am at this point where I am assuming they are willingly ignoring the Forums so they can also do their Primals, Live Concert. Which was a while ago already by now? and definitely screw over another part our of Job or our Job entirely and other jobs by 6.2. Not even going to be surprised.

[Ruminous]

The changes were unacceptable, and it felt lazy. If I go on my alt, where I have to do ARR? my Kaiten is gone filled with Shinten to AoE because I have no Kyuten. The descriptions on release also were not matching anymore. Even the Samurai Class quests had Tenka Goken still being a cone from a Samurai NPC you face. This all just indicates lazy changes, unpolished and almost random.

But, I am at this point where I am assuming they are willingly ignoring the Forums so they can also do their Primals, Live Concert. Which was a while ago already by now? and definitely screw over another part our of Job or our Job entirely and other jobs by 6.2. Not even going to be surprised.

Believe in another thread I said they were treating us like beta testers on these changes. And part of me is curious if this is to see how well received other changes would be to other jobs when they're up next on the chopping block.