Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[AsiTsurugi]

Hey all.

One question for you guys - Are you "used to it" by now? How the job plays currently? Because that has been sprinkled here and there as an argument to keep the changes. Because people have already adjusted to these changes, "It's impossible to return to 6.08".

Personally speaking...don't be ridiculous. How in the world did you get "used to it" when the changes were first put in? Are you saying people are incapable of adjusting back to what we once had? Rather, this is a mindset of one who feels inconvenienced and nothing more regarding the job.

On another note, Meditate has been brought up as being hard to utilize in it's fullest, especially in Ultimate. People argue that the reward is nonexistent, more so now that we lost all meaning in the Kenki gauge.

I also asked a few of my SAM friends who do not frequent the forums and all of them are unequivocally horrified at the current state of SAM and are not "used to it" in the sense of how terrible its gameplay is. And pretty much all of us are waiting to clear DSR and then unsub and/or quit the game for good if this is the state of SAM after we clear the ultimate.

[cjbeagle]

For most subscription services they have a quick questionnaire when you unsub to get feedback on why you're unsubbing - does anyone know if that's the case for FFXIV's subscription?

[butchersblock]

For most subscription services they have a quick questionnaire when you unsub to get feedback on why you're unsubbing - does anyone know if that's the case for FFXIV's subscription?

Nope, I unsubbed for a while after 6.1 Live Letter until the Ultimate was released, I think there was a multiple choice question but none of the possible answers had anything remotely close to being unsatisfied with game direction or anything like that

[Hezhi]

Neutering kenki management has considerably dulled this job for me. You used to have to pay attention to kenki to be able to Kaiten before every iaijutsu. Now you just mash Shinten.
If button bloat is an issue then they should have merged Ikishoten with Ogi Namikiri or given Shoha cleave damage instead of making it I / II. Instead they went ahead and removed an ability so important to SAM's core design that they had to adjust pretty much every single other action this job had. Have you considered how crazy that this?

I would love to see a revert. A more realistic case would be SE adding a new kenki dump next expansion 2 years from now to make kenki management more interesting. My expectations are very low however, considering the recent history of SE doing very poor choices with job design and choosing to balance jobs around an imaginary audience of people who would like jobs to be easier overall.

[Deithwen]

Neutering kenki management has considerably dulled this job for me. You used to have to pay attention to kenki to be able to Kaiten before every iaijutsu. Now you just mash Shinten.
If button bloat is an issue then they should have merged Ikishoten with Ogi Namikiri or given Shoha cleave damage instead of making it I / II. Instead they went ahead and removed an ability so important to SAM's core design that they had to adjust pretty much every single other action this job had. Have you considered how crazy that this?

I would love to see a revert. A more realistic case would be SE adding a new kenki dump next expansion 2 years from now to make kenki management more interesting. My expectations are very low however, considering the recent history of SE doing very poor choices with job design and choosing to balance jobs around an imaginary audience of people who would like jobs to be easier overall.

The job has become so uninteresting and gutted I just can't believe they didn't realise how huge of an impact their changes would be. I'm just baffled by their complete incompetence.

[Roxus]

Hi folks. Just a small update here. Many are just fed up waiting and are voicing they want to go back to 6.08. And if the developers don't want to, to explain why they are ignoring the large amount of feedback worldwide. Everything that needs to be said has been said, but people don't want the issue to die. Personally I'm considering joining healers in using the "Leave a Suggestion" button ingame to start sending feedback (in addition to the forums and twitter). I'm tired of the silence. Oh btw people in General are starting to bleed into the conversation, I just removed a passive aggressive tag from this thread's tags because the CMs can't be bothered to moderate. People in General apparently do that to mock other people's issues. Can't be bothered to actually read the feedback and criticism people have but have enough time to try and leave some really petty messages like some middle school children.

[AsiTsurugi]

Hi folks. Just a small update here. Many are just fed up waiting and are voicing they want to go back to 6.08. And if the developers don't want to, to explain why they are ignoring the large amount of feedback worldwide. Everything that needs to be said has been said, but people don't want the issue to die. Personally I'm considering joining healers in using the "Leave a Suggestion" button ingame to start sending feedback (in addition to the forums and twitter). I'm tired of the silence. Oh btw people in General are starting to bleed into the conversation, I just removed a passive aggressive tag from this thread's tags because the CMs can't be bothered to moderate. People in General apparently do that to mock other people's issues. Can't be bothered to actually read the feedback and criticism people have but have enough time to try and leave some really petty messages like some middle school children.

I have just stopped caring honestly. If the devs want to sit on a high horse and act like they know how gameplay works better than the people that play the game, they can do that. Players can also just leave when they start feeling that the devs are actively disrespecting them. I have been considering leaving this game for good for the past few days, but commitment to the current static is causing me to hesitate. So once my group clears DSR, and the devs still continue pretending they are superior and continue this trend of disrespecting their players, I am gone.

Also people in General have bigger issues to worry about, like getting banned for their ERP party finder listings. I think they should focus on that instead of mocking others. Throwing stones from inside a glass house and all that.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Hi folks. Just a small update here. Many are just fed up waiting and are voicing they want to go back to 6.08. And if the developers don't want to, to explain why they are ignoring the large amount of feedback worldwide. Everything that needs to be said has been said, but people don't want the issue to die. Personally I'm considering joining healers in using the "Leave a Suggestion" button ingame to start sending feedback (in addition to the forums and twitter). I'm tired of the silence. Oh btw people in General are starting to bleed into the conversation, I just removed a passive aggressive tag from this thread's tags because the CMs can't be bothered to moderate. People in General apparently do that to mock other people's issues. Can't be bothered to actually read the feedback and criticism people have but have enough time to try and leave some really petty messages like some middle school children.

I saw one of those tags in Celesti's compilation thread. Extremely childish behavior from users who are too cowardly to post themselves. Same vein as those who would hide behind forum alts and troll. On another note, the class still feels boring as ever. I get more of a rush playing the PvP version; still insulting that Kaiten and job identity exist there but not in PvE.

[Quor]

Hi folks. Just a small update here. Many are just fed up waiting and are voicing they want to go back to 6.08. And if the developers don't want to, to explain why they are ignoring the large amount of feedback worldwide. Everything that needs to be said has been said, but people don't want the issue to die. Personally I'm considering joining healers in using the "Leave a Suggestion" button ingame to start sending feedback (in addition to the forums and twitter). I'm tired of the silence. Oh btw people in General are starting to bleed into the conversation, I just removed a passive aggressive tag from this thread's tags because the CMs can't be bothered to moderate. People in General apparently do that to mock other people's issues. Can't be bothered to actually read the feedback and criticism people have but have enough time to try and leave some really petty messages like some middle school children.

Oh goody, the tag trolls are here. That's when you know we've hit the big time.

[Roxus]

Every day I come home from work it isn't to enjoy my time in FF14, it's coming to the forums to fight for the enjoyment in the first place. I am one of those players that only really enjoys one job. Samurai is what I love most and the rest are just there for when I need them for the sake of convenience, such as static subbing. The design philosophy of the developers is so backwards I am actually in disbelief.

It's another week and we still don't have a proper explanation. Yet another post addressing another issue, though I am glad they are finally getting their head out of the sand regarding packet loss. If it's so difficult to write a proper message giving the developer's reasonings or excuses as to why these changes were brought to light in the first place, I think it's time to swallow your pride and discard the changes, no matter how much time you spent on them. Because that doesn't matter - the changes broke something that should never be broken. Acknowledge that and in the post tell us how you intend to fix the job by 6.2 at the latest. I'm expecting 6.08 reversion for Samurai in 6.15 if the developers continue to stay silent.

As said in the JP side, I'm asking you to not ignore more than 100 pages of feedback. You asked for it. You have it now. If you do nothing with it, you are going to lose much more trust than you already have.