Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[Runeslayer]

I'm also keeping a close eye on these threads. I'm a tank main, but I know well what a job that goes down the design hell hole does to the playerbase. This isn't just to address SAM, it's to address the job design philosophy in general. Very few jobs are actual hits this expac, some are middle of the road, and others are being stripped of all their fun.

Now more than ever is the time to be loud, as someone with an entire alt dedicated to SAM I want the changes reverted.

[JakkuPM]

Revert to 6.08 SAM. Swapped to DRG for DSU but after that i quit.

[Roxus]

Hey all.

So much of the feedback that has been extremely detailed has already been said. At this point we have frustrated players being straightforward with what they want: Revert the changes. If you can't even explain why the adjustment was necessary clearly, then it must not be that urgent to change. Or the changes were for flimsy, laughable reasons. Imagine if every other job got the Samurai changes...which is exactly what they stated "for the future".

It is disrespectful and insulting to your playerbase how every time a job gets touched they become simplified just for the sake of it. The changes were a failure in terms of general user experience, regardless of the job's performance. I did not pick a job to have my experience of the job enhanced by the fight, I picked my job to enjoy the actual job's gameplay and class fantasy.

The cynic in me says that the recent 3rd party fiasco was just another attempt to divert attention away from job balance because of how much of a failure it is, receiving majority negative feedback from around the world. Don't take that too seriously though (except the majority negative feedback, that's actually true).

Don't give up hope and speak against these changes. If you are another job that has been treated unfairly or about to be, work with everyone else and continue to speak against these changes. I want 6.08 Samurai to be returned to us with no compromise. Then I want the developers to work on jobs that actually need the help without destroying their class fantasies and experience. Thinking an encounter is supposed to make up for a job having stale gameplay is foolish.

[CasterSvarog]

I’m only a casual player still leveling up samurai so I doubt my opinion weighs that much, but damn Samurai is honestly pretty boring with the changes.
Yeah let’s fix the action bloat by removing the one skill everyone unanimously loves for what is honestly the most boring move in the entire game. Yeah can’t wait to do a boring stab with zero impact behind it all the time. /s
Honestly everything to do with Kenki amounts to a puddle, just spam this one button if you’re in single target or one for Aoe. And the general potency changes are just weak feeling honestly. A finisher is called a finisher for a reason, it takes time to build up to it, it should hit hard because if that. And it really doesn’t do that, not anymore.

Honestly, just change it back to 6.08 samurai, from potencies to the Aoes being cones (which is a whole nother issue all together what with the constant moving to have everything be the exact same between jobs in the same role, half the melee dps already have circle aoes already).
Finally combine their 8 mutually exclusive skills, Shinten/Kyuten, Senei/Guren, Shoha/Shoha 2 (this one is so egregious) and Ikishoten/Ogi Namikiri/Kaeshi: Namikiri into a single button for each set. This cannot be that hard to do, the community is giving good ideas on a golden platter here

[Ruminous]

What, you don't like doing this? Pretty much what shinten is!



Seriously though, samurai's boring, revert it till you can give us something better. Don't leave it like it is now.

[AsiTsurugi]

The cynic in me says that the recent 3rd party fiasco was just another attempt to divert attention away from job balance because of how much of a failure it is, receiving majority negative feedback from around the world. Don't take that too seriously though (except the majority negative feedback, that's actually true).

Oh without a doubt. Where was this "banning for third party tools" when WoW players were openly flaunting UI mods in FF14 a few months ago? Did SE just suddenly sprout eyes for this to matter? It's just as pathetic as the rest of the company, a "multi million dollar company" that is perptually on the verge of insolvency. But that's okay, buy some NFTs in their latest mobile games a few months from now and you also better like the next pointless "apology" from Yoshida.

[Roxus]

Hi folks.

I've gone ahead and just posted once again in the JP thread. If you are upset about the changes I would urge you to do the same. And please continue to be loud here as well.

Players from all over the world have been vocal and against this change. Are the voices of the world going to be ignored? Most feedback asks for the return of 6.08 Samurai. We haven't received anything in 6.1 and 6.11, why are we compromising when we've only had things taken away? Who is being vocal that our experience must be ruined for years until the vision of the future is realized? The reasoning has been directionless and we haven't been given anything that clearly makes it so we can say "that makes sense." If things are taken from us and we receive nothing in return, that's just stealing. My enjoyment of this game was stolen. In a game, your enjoyment is what matters most.

We need to go back to 6.08 Samurai. Start again from there and work on changes that make sense if change is absolutely necessary. Don't give us a new plate that remains empty for two years. I'll welcome them to re add the small Quality of Life on Meikyo, Third Eye, Gyoten. But I won't accept them if you say it's too hard to go back to 6.08 for Samurai (It isn't, this isn't an argument). I want a clear direction of the changes to be communicated to us, and to everyone's jobs who are waiting on their enjoyment to be restored. The changes solved absolutely nothing. I don't enjoy Samurai because I think, "Wow this fight is amazing". I enjoy Samurai because I am playing Samurai. Don't tell people they are being unreasonable or greedy for asking to go back to how we were in 6.08 when we received nothing in return. Numerical performance isn't everything.

[Ruminous]

Already said it earlier in this thread, but revert samurai back to 6.08. Rework it later, after you've thought out changes to it. Or don't rework it at all because you people are incompetent morons and have proven in 6.1 that you are routinely.

[xAFROx]

Hi folks.

I've gone ahead and just posted once again in the JP thread. If you are upset about the changes I would urge you to do the same. And please continue to be loud here as well.

Players from all over the world have been vocal and against this change. Are the voices of the world going to be ignored? Most feedback asks for the return of 6.08 Samurai. We haven't received anything in 6.1 and 6.11, why are we compromising when we've only had things taken away? Who is being vocal that our experience must be ruined for years until the vision of the future is realized? The reasoning has been directionless and we haven't been given anything that clearly makes it so we can say "that makes sense." If things are taken from us and we receive nothing in return, that's just stealing. My enjoyment of this game was stolen. In a game, your enjoyment is what matters most.

We need to go back to 6.08 Samurai. Start again from there and work on changes that make sense if change is absolutely necessary. Don't give us a new plate that remains empty for two years. I'll welcome them to re add the small Quality of Life on Meikyo, Third Eye, Gyoten. But I won't accept them if you say it's too hard to go back to 6.08 for Samurai (It isn't, this isn't an argument). I want a clear direction of the changes to be communicated to us, and to everyone's jobs who are waiting on their enjoyment to be restored. The changes solved absolutely nothing. I don't enjoy Samurai because I think, "Wow this fight is amazing". I enjoy Samurai because I am playing Samurai. Don't tell people they are being unreasonable or greedy for asking to go back to how we were in 6.08 when we received nothing in return. Numerical performance isn't everything.

How does one post in the JP thread if one does not read, speak, or write japanese?

I would if it would help, but does that mean to imply they don't have a team that goes through the other languages to review and report? That would mean these threads are pointless and do nothing if that's the case.

[Kolsykol]

SAM still even after all this time just feels like a shell of its former self.
It's so obvious Kaiten is missing ...

It just has this feel of being an expansion behind it did so much to harm the feel of the Job..