Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[ShanaShirayuki]

Agreed, great post. The soul and excitement of the class is gone. However, a QoL change I would ask for as well would be the consolidation of Shoha II into Shoha and Guren into Senei with AoE fall-off damage; similar to how RDM has it with Verholy and Verflare.

[Edweena]

Agreed, great post. The soul and excitement of the class is gone. However, a QoL change I would ask for as well would be the consolidation of Shoha II into Shoha and Guren into Senei with AoE fall-off damage; similar to how RDM has it with Verholy and Verflare.

There's an even better solution to Guren and Senei.

Neither gets removed, but instead are made into unassignable actions that can only be used under a buff called.... "Hissatu Ready" which is granted by Ikishoten like "Ogi Namikiri ready"
Shinten and Kyuten change into Senei and Guren under "Hissatu Ready" and the buff is consumed when you use one or the other.

This reduces the issue of potentially drifting Ikishoten and Senei / Guren like it does now, and removes TWO BUTTONS, NOT JUST ONE, WHILE STILL RETAINING THAT "CHOICE" or w/e people like about having 2 of these fucking abilities.
There is no downside to this, as we don't have to choose between keeping one of them, and everybody wins while the skill floor is lowered in a meaningful way that doesn't affect Samurai's skill ceiling.
It makes even more sense since well, Senei and Guren are just upgraded Shinten and Kyuten, they even have the same kenki cost lol.
Absolutely the #1 thing I would suggest.

[Roxus]

All these suggestions are great. I've read any and all feedback on the Samurai changes and express my support. Many things they could have done to address their so called action bloat, yet they go with the absolute last thing on everyone's mind.

This is not the only place where the changes are received negatively. Adding your voice helps. Don't let the feedback die down. If you have not yet posted, now is the time.

[M_Red]

Yoshi-P addressed this while reading patch notes and said they wanted to change up both Samurai and Ninja. They are closely monitoring feedback and may make further changes (or reversions) in 6.2 depending in community feedback.

He also said they were going to make a separate post about their reasoning for the changes, which I'm highly interested in seeing because they really feel out of nowhere, especially when there were several other routes to reducing button bloat than removing Kaiten. He's apparently aware a LOT of people aren't happy.

I really hope he’s aware of it. Normally I wouldn’t have any hope of them reverting it back since devs usually ignore the outrage after changes to a class thinking it’s just the usual shtick (unless it is truly massive enough). But with Yoshi-P, I do have some hope.

I’ve heard that the JP players of Samurai were in the Twitch chat and were literally demanding the one who made the changes list them all and explain why for each one. Although the JP Samurais, from what I’ve heard, can be a little… overzealous.

Overall, this was a change that no one asked for or needed. It even does less damage over all. I’ve compared my Samurai (fully leveled with some of the highest levels gear) with my Reaper that has decent gear. My Samurai now does A LOT less damage than my Reaper now, even with it having better gear.

So personally, I cannot play Samurai anymore. It all feels so horrible to play now and the ‘finishers’ feels the same as one another, only with hitting the enemy with a wet noodle. They even reduce the two minute cooldown!

For numbers sake, both versions of Namakiri would have done over 120k damage if they both crit (which is a wonderful feeling, and since you can only do it once every two minutes it was balanced out). But now? It BARELY reaches only 60k, and even then it’s only half the time at most.

That’s how big this nerf is. Adding 10 to 20 potency for some of the attacks cannot make up the damage for that…

[E-Zekiel]

My main two classes are paladin and samurai. Formerly, my DPS main was ninja. While I didn't dislike the sweeping changes Shadowbringer made to ninja, and it was generally fun, I wasn't really playing what I was going for, which was a small-arm (sword, basically) based melee DPS specialist. Ninja, while fun, felt like a light mage class. Tons of magic with some melee attacks woven in. Or maybe half and half, I don't know. It was fun, but it wasn't quite my style, you know?

Then I discovered samurai and fell IN LOVE.

I still like it, even post changes, but I am sad because while I still like it, I have fallen out of love. Revert these changes, SE.

[vEN7US]

I didn't expect to hate this change as much as I do. Literally made a forum account just to contribute to the voices speaking out against it. Removing Kaiten has completely ruined both the feel and flow of the job. Please revert the change as soon as possible. Literally nobody asked for this.

[Toolshed113]

Please revert the 6.1 SAM changes. Furthermore, I would really like the dev team to carefully reconsider releasing changes that significantly alter the "feel" of a job IN THE MIDDLE OF A TIER. I no longer want to play samurai with these changes, but since it's my fully geared savage job, I am at least stuck on it for another several months while I gear up something else (probably NIN). If the dev team really wanted to make such a big change, they should have waited until 6.2 to allow people the opportunity to decide whether to continue playing the job in savage or not for NEXT TIER. I am now a hostage to a job that I no longer enjoy.

[Roxus]

Ever since the patch notes reading, instead of playing FFXIV, or any game for that matter, I have been posting and reading forums seeking answers. I have no motivation to play the new content. Even though the patch was supposed to be exciting, I can't bring myself to login anymore. I'm happy that others are able to enjoy the game. I'd also like to enjoy the game. I'm hoping we get a response from the developers soon.

[WorldPeacElbow]

if this hotfix doesnt fix samurai I'll be back again tomorrow and everyday after that. REVERT SAM CHANGES. BRING KAITEN BACK.

[CelestiCer]

I pretty much stopped playing, the only reason I play will be decorating and helping a static member get his weapon from P4S because they helped me get through the tier and my Katana, but ya why did I get it its meaningless now.

There is no reason to do content for me. I only play Samurai, and when I don't enjoy Samurai why would I do new Extreme, Raids and any of it on our ruined class? There's zero point. I tried other classes I don't like other roles, I loved Samurai.

It's actually the one thing that I found that is very " Stress-relieving " and its taken from us... making it very depressing. So I'll just keep posting I guess.