Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[CelestiCer]

Looks like Vencio farted with his mouth again.
I don't know what he said though. But it can't be good anyway.

The immersion argument is being used for... Justifying button removals? Good thing you can't see it lol... To many buttons is clutter. Sure. So is having a dirty hud. Here's my un-intentional immerse hud for how I play Samurai.



As you can see... I have barely anything because I just don't need to see anything. Un-intentionally it's pretty immersive. No less buttons needed though, I just memorized it. Was taught to me by mentors when I was still new to the game, although the Samurai weren't mentors they were just... lets call them " Overzealous-Optimizers " who yelled at me about not fighting your hud you're fighting the fight stop fighting your hud, leading to this minimalistic take to see mechanics better.

You could say if you want immersion for Samurai ( although not applicable to say Jobs with procs ) you could just memorize your job better to not need to look at as many buttons. With Kaiten removal, I went as far as playing without anything pressing Scr-Lck while screen-sharing fights to showcase mechanics even better for players who want to see how I on Sam handle mechanics in the hopes it helps them understand the fights.

So the immersion argument... to justify less buttons? seems a bit wishy-washy.

[Vencio]

What’s wrong with immersion?

PS: Nice place by the way

[Deithwen]

The immersion argument is being used for... Justifying button removals? Good thing you can't see it lol... To many buttons is clutter. Sure. So is having a dirty hud. Here's my un-intentional immerse hud for how I play Samurai.



As you can see... I have barely anything because I just don't need to see anything. Un-intentionally it's pretty immersive. No less buttons needed though, I just memorized it. Was taught to me by mentors when I was still new to the game, although the Samurai weren't mentors they were just... lets call them " Overzealous-Optimizers " who yelled at me about not fighting your hud you're fighting the fight stop fighting your hud, leading to this minimalistic take to see mechanics better.

You could say if you want immersion for Samurai ( although not applicable to say Jobs with procs ) you could just memorize your job better to not need to look at as many buttons. With Kaiten removal, I went as far as playing without anything pressing Scr-Lck while screen-sharing fights to showcase mechanics even better for players who want to see how I on Sam handle mechanics in the hopes it helps them understand the fights.

So the immersion argument... to justify less buttons? seems a bit wishy-washy.

The immersion argument is a fraud from the start. The main reason being our "charge" skills (iaijutsus) barely hitting harder than regular finisher, and lower than dancer or ninja skills. Hell, even WHM skills can hight higher. It just doesn't make sense at all and goes against the samurai imagery we've been fed with for decades.

[Mortex]

Thankfully someone asked me a direct but civil question without hostility!

That’s alright, I am no stranger in being looked upon as Celes, Rensu & other’s had in the re-attempts to ….”enlighten me”.

I will reiterate the same answer asI had previously,

I had no quarrel with Kaiten to be frank long before 6.1 & it did provided a substantial dps boost which truly shined the job itself. Like everyone else, I too was taken off guard at the sudden 6.1 change & though it took me but couple weeks to overcome such radical change I ultimately decided to move on forward as job changes isn’t any stranger all the same.

Kaiten was never the issue, rather I sought & still do advocate for the pruning of abilities & merge other’s as PvP is a great inspiration of this or so I embrace it. Kaiten’s absence overall hardly affected me & I am seeing SE’s possible vision to follow likewise for every job as well.

You see, personally I don’t do savage nor hard core content & I value immersion of the world around me along with spatial awareness just about right rather than focus on the complexity of abilities hoarding all over the hotbar screen & that irritates me.

I believe the job still retains at its greatest & shouldn’t be deemed “dead” as others claim it to be & its natural some praise or dislike the changes but a change is a moving process we’ve all have to adapt regardless rather than stay stagnant.

As for my “unusual behaviours/expressions” as I am not looking to justify them I just did it in response of being an immediate target which enticed majority of the SAM players to set the “first flames” to deemed me as though I am trolling or are incompetent with the game altogether (of course majority of them being elites I presume).

In truth, I wish this post & other’s related would be locked down inmediate & just wither away.

PS: I hope this answer will suffice

I do understand why you say it’s not the end of the world and I don’t have any problem with it because every one has his own opinion but the I think we both can agree this change could have been made in a other way with the same effect by for example simply upgrading shoha 1 and 2 in one skill that does aoe and single target damage.

Or make it that ikoshoten changes after use too oginamikiri.

I think we can agree that the button bloat problem could have been solved in better ways.

[Mortex]

Thankfully someone asked me a direct but civil question without hostility!

That’s alright, I am no stranger in being looked upon as Celes, Rensu & other’s had in the re-attempts to ….”enlighten me”.

I will reiterate the same answer asI had previously,

I had no quarrel with Kaiten to be frank long before 6.1 & it did provided a substantial dps boost which truly shined the job itself. Like everyone else, I too was taken off guard at the sudden 6.1 change & though it took me but couple weeks to overcome such radical change I ultimately decided to move on forward as job changes isn’t any stranger all the same.

Kaiten was never the issue, rather I sought & still do advocate for the pruning of abilities & merge other’s as PvP is a great inspiration of this or so I embrace it. Kaiten’s absence overall hardly affected me & I am seeing SE’s possible vision to follow likewise for every job as well.

You see, personally I don’t do savage nor hard core content & I value immersion of the world around me along with spatial awareness just about right rather than focus on the complexity of abilities hoarding all over the hotbar screen & that irritates me.

I believe the job still retains at its greatest & shouldn’t be deemed “dead” as others claim it to be & its natural some praise or dislike the changes but a change is a moving process we’ve all have to adapt regardless rather than stay stagnant.

As for my “unusual behaviours/expressions” as I am not looking to justify them I just did it in response of being an immediate target which enticed majority of the SAM players to set the “first flames” to deemed me as though I am trolling or are incompetent with the game altogether (of course majority of them being elites I presume).

In truth, I wish this post & other’s related would be locked down inmediate & just wither away.

PS: I hope this answer will suffice

Also I do think kaiten immersion job wise was really good. The skilled master samurai that prepares himself for his “final” killing move turning the tide of battle with a decisive strike. In comparison shinten is just a boring stabbing move that lacks “style”

[Vencio]

I do understand why you say it’s not the end of the world and I don’t have any problem with it because every one has his own opinion but the I think we both can agree this change could have been made in a other way with the same effect by for example simply upgrading shoha 1 and 2 in one skill that does aoe and single target damage.

Or make it that ikoshoten changes after use too oginamikiri.

I think we can agree that the button bloat problem could have been solved in better ways.

Definitely, neither extreme nor taking unnecessary action that otherwise would cause the community for upheavels (no matter what stance, it still creates mayhem).

PvP example button bloat was not a good testament for me to put.

In truth, i wish both samples like mine’s & Celes would in someways be incorporated for as little compromise as possible.

Either way what we all have in common is our frustation due to SE’s long absence & certainly no island sanctuary would bandage it (if anything it added sugar to the soup & upsetted the housing community). Relic weapons may not feel as engaging.

In truth, EW is a whole mess from all aspects as it got released with a cringe storyline & just changes after changes.

Either way It begs the fundamental question….are they truly listening & taking feedback as they are?

Much rather an absolute stoic truth than a hypocrite honey-ed words that otherwise seems evasive & putting the elephant under the table.

Until then, so much schism going on over the forums to this day

[Mortex]

Definitely, neither extreme nor taking unnecessary action that otherwise would cause the community for upheavels (no matter what stance, it still creates mayhem).

PvP example button bloat was not a good testament for me to put.

In truth, i wish both samples like mine’s & Celes would in someways be incorporated for as little compromise as possible.

Either way what we all have in common is our frustation due to SE’s long absence & certainly no island sanctuary would bandage it (if anything it added sugar to the soup & upsetted the housing community). Relic weapons may not feel as engaging.

In truth, EW is a whole mess from all aspects as it got released with a cringe storyline & just changes after changes.

Either way It begs the fundamental question….are they truly listening & taking feedback as they are?

Much rather an absolute stoic truth than a hypocrite honey-ed words that otherwise seems evasive & putting the elephant under the table.

Until then, so much schism going on over the forums to this day

Funny enough I thought story was ok, until elpis pulls a time paradox and makes it that venat knows exactly what too do (from us) too ensure we get on top all the time and in turn making the entire character journey and choices up until this point absolutely void and hollow.

And yeah I miss the communication between square and the player base a lot since years. It feels like a wow kind of situation and I hate it because I did raid for the challenge but it killed the entire rest for me. And final goes into this direction

[Deithwen]

I don't know what it said, but I sip real wine I can actually trace and judge, and think it should be no where near such a filthy mouth as Vencio's.
Samurai got gimped, the devs asked for feedback they failed to aknowledge. Our ire is legitimate.

[Vencio]

I don't know what it said, but I sip real wine I can actually trace and judge, and think it should be no where near such a filthy mouth as Vencio's.
Samurai got gimped, the devs asked for feedback they failed to aknowledge. Our ire is legitimate.

Try Cabernet-Merlot (specifically Argentinian “Mendoza” or Parisian “Cellier Aux Dolfin”) with Gouda cheese on top of white rice crackers & littke bit of salt into the cheese,

Or follow through chardonnay Niagara-Falls with diced pear & melted brie cheese; just ensure you keep the white wine chill.

All in all, it is not what’s in the wine but based how we subjectively grade it & ultimately how it suits you at its best.

Try it!

[Alex1337]

Try Cabernet-Merlot (specifically Argentinian “Mendoza” or Parisian “Cellier Aux Dolfin”) with Gouda cheese on top of white rice crackers & littke bit of salt into the cheese,

Or follow through chardonnay Niagara-Falls with diced pear & melted brie cheese; just ensure you keep the white wine chill.

All in all, it is not what’s in the wine but based how we subjectively grade it & ultimately how it suits you at its best.


Try it!

Google all that did you ?