Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...on_main_story/
https://www.famitsu.com/news/202208/09271375.html

Devs are talking about some combat changes. The upcoming crit changes going to be explained soon, more information on DRG/AST reworks. Still no mention of SAM...?



Agreed... And it's less about Kaiten being great, more Shinten spam being really bad. Just give us something, anything.
The reason they're not merging Ougi Namikiri with Ikishoten is because we're getting single target ougi next expansion :^)

Crit changes most likely being something in the line of bonus damage % if you had a crit rate buff while having maxed crit rate. I hope they do similar for Direct Hit (and it hopefully also affecting materia).

"Single Target Ogi Namikiri". Blergh. We really don't need more ST + AOE variants for long cooldowns.

[Flashy]

Q

if you don't like the current job pick another till the job is corrected you have 17 to choose from crying about it for over 61 padges does not work the programmers will get this done in their time not yours.

Gonna add this Vencio alt to my ignore list

I don't want to play anything else, sam was perfect. I'd rather unsub. YoshiP asked for our feedback and we gave it. Now it's up to them on Friday to at least acknowledge the feedback

[xAFROx]

Personally I'm able to live without Kaiten, but the reason of removal being button bloat stirs me.

Things you could consolidate:

Shoha -> Shoha II: Upgrade, like PLD Expiacion
Guren -> Senei: Upgrade, keep Guren range but make it cone for wider AOE and obviously potency upgrade
Ikishoten -> Ogi Namikiri: button combo

Also for the love of god, give me back Tenka Gokken's cone AOE, this is as awful as the Overpower change for me.

Honestly, as much as I hate the change on WAR from cone to circle, I hate the SAM change more. Squishy dps need to stand with tank to hit anything in dungeons, and it's a cast.

But it's already been well established that button bloat was not the real issue. Granted, they gave us about 5 separate reasons, and each one of those has been debunked pretty harshly by players at each turn.

At the end of the day, still gonna say the changes overall to SAM is what outraged its playerbase and kaiten is, mainly, the easiest thing to point to as why since a lot of the general adjustments it got were done to 'compensate' getting rid of it... even though every iaijutsu feels significantly weaker now. When I read guaranteed crit, I expected to see a good number each time. But instead it's barely hitting above my gcd combos and that's pathetic.

If folks wanted to play a job who consistently pumps out damage through primarily a steady flow of GCDs, that already existed and it shares gear with SAM.

[xAFROx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...on_main_story/
https://www.famitsu.com/news/202208/09271375.html

Devs are talking about some combat changes. The upcoming crit changes going to be explained soon, more information on DRG/AST reworks. Still no mention of SAM...?



Agreed... And it's less about Kaiten being great, more Shinten spam being really bad. Just give us something, anything.
The reason they're not merging Ougi Namikiri with Ikishoten is because we're getting single target ougi next expansion :^)

Why does everyone keep saying we should get a Single Target Ogi Namikiri? There's literally no reason for another redundant skill.

If anything should have been pruned or consolidated, we have multiple options already and multiple ways that can be done.

The only skills that make sense to keep separate from aoe and st is shinten and kyuten as those are the dump skills for the gauge.

Everything else after that, ok, it isn't terrible to keep, but to keep making more like that is just ridiculous. That would be creating the problem they claimed to have tried to fix.

[CelestiCer]

Nah that's honestly not simple enough.

SE heard our feedback ( not ), some players miss the old Tenka Goken... hence SE decided to change all Iaijutsu, Shinten, Enpi, Yaten, Gyoten, Hakaze and even Meditation into Conal AoE's, just like Ogi Namikiri. Then players will complain on how " oh so finger breaking it is " to play with impossible to aim Conal skills, and turn EVERYTHING into Circles, including Hagakure being a Circle AoE. Not sure how they will manage to do that, but they obviously know what they are doing so Ikishoten even will be an AoE Circle. They totally got this o/ /s

[fulminating]

Why does everyone keep saying we should get a Single Target Ogi Namikiri? There's literally no reason for another redundant skill.

It's not that we should, it's that we will

[Vencio]

Q

Gonna add this Vencio alt to my ignore list

I don't want to play anything else, sam was perfect. I'd rather unsub. YoshiP asked for our feedback and we gave it. Now it's up to them on Friday to at least acknowledge the feedback

-sighs & shakes head- I am flattered; I don’t do alts unfortunately.

-lowers the gates- More than welcome to exit out given your utmost commitment to Kaiten.

PS: Sincerely Vencio aka The Elezen Prince of Hearts

[OdinelStarrei]

if you don't like the current job pick another till the job is corrected you have 17 to choose from crying about it for over 61 padges does not work the programmers will get this done in their time not yours.

This is categorically incorrect. Even if healers are still ruined, and MCH still has the same issues that have plagued it for years now despite pages and pages of feedback, you only need to look at the Dark Knight megathread at over 300 pages, originating at the tail end of ShB as proof that the possibility for change is always there. We didn't get the changes we NEEDED until 6.1, and had to deal with the development team effectively ignoring us for multiple years beforehand. And we're still pretty screwed to be honest.

And shocker, you can complain about a job you aren't actively playing, especially if recent, very controversial changes to said job caused you to STOP(see SMN). Those aren't linked traits.

You cannot remove the stairs in a house and say you'll put in an elevator in two years. That doesn't make any sense.

If the SAM players want to object to the backwards job design in this game, it's their prerogative to do so to better fulfill the game experience they want, the developers wanted the feedback. Prefer them to cry about it and make a fuss than let SE walk all over them as they ruin more and more of their own gameplay loops with zero pushback. Bet you'll say the same thing when they destroy and lobotomize DRG next. It's a race to the bottom.

Disagree with it all you want, you're just digging into an already entrenched, defensive faction who will collectively push back against opposition, even more so if it's over-emotional, confrontational waffling instead of fact-based analysis, since their back is against the wall for their main and they have no other choice if they've abandoned the "give up" option. Let them rage in their infinite spiral of anger and resentment. Sometimes it works.

At this point, I wonder if they'll have to wait until live letter Q&A or even the next expansions Media Tour to get even a possibility of an answer. The more I look into this, the more I find it mirroring my own experiences. The same passion, the same silence, the same frustration, the same bad faith non-mains with a PhD in gaslighting and misdirection.

I got my breadcrumbs in the famine. I hope everyone else does as well, if only so people aren't so miserable.

[ThorneDynasty]

if you don't like the current job pick another till the job is corrected you have 17 to choose from crying about it for over 61 padges does not work the programmers will get this done in their time not yours.

Which job is that? Half the jobs are dumbed down together into the same lukewarm smush already. The entire healer role plays the same. Half the tanks play the same. One third of the casters literally got uprooted and turned into the fourth, least interesting, physical ranged. Now they are looking for any excuse to dumb down the whole melee role despite just adding a new melee job all about fulfilling the niche for an extra simple melee. (Mind you, I love Reaper but it should not be the only playstyle available. That's the point of a class system, having varied styles).

But yes, let's keep ignoring everyone pointing out and criticizing the trend until all you can say is "well if you want any depth or identity you have BLM and NIN to choose from, stop complaining".

[Vencio]

If anything, given the length of your response it appears you’re far emotionally invested & impulsive that just cannot take what the job has & just forevermore still remain under limbo & uttering out far more “repetitive” statements all while showing a rather aggressive reaction to anyone that doesn’t align with your ideals, then again who am I kidding if Celes, Rensu & others just reinforce that chain in such defiance : /

-Sips Ishgardian wine-

PS: Sincerely Vencio The Elezen Prince of Hearts