Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[Alex1337]

The story repeats itself. We had it with wow and now they do the same run with final.

Catering too casual’s only won’t win people over.

Butchering fun and interactive jobs only too cater to the super casual audience won’t win you costumers.

Being cheap about job design and only having 4 member in the job design team for 20 jobs and not even having a representative for every role is not the way.

You’re right, the tragedy is squenix have a cheat in this respect; WoW pruned every class in warlords of draenor and realised in bfa that this was not a good path to follow and are beginning to add or want to add old spells and abilities that had flavor because that’s what the community wants. They know what NOT to do if they know where to look.

[Mortex]

You’re right, the tragedy is squenix have a cheat in this respect; WoW pruned every class in warlords of draenor and realised in bfa that this was not a good path to follow and are beginning to add or want to add old spells and abilities that had flavor because that’s what the community wants. They know what NOT to do if they know where to look.

Also the problem is the casual group of this game should not have any care in the world if the jobs are getting a higher skill ceiling because 95% of this game has no hard enrage anyway (expect ultimates but they are designed to be the most insane stuff In all aspects) you can’t skip with better gear. Every crayon eater won’t lose anything if the people that are willing to learn jobs still carry them. We do it already, every single day in a age we’re healer dps is 2 buttons and it is still too hard for a decent number of players anyway.

Kaiten did not affect casuals in any capacity when they already played freestyle samurai.

The same with the healer jobs like I said . People have 2 buttons for single target and are still inept to use them and rather spam the living hell out of medica 2 because the dungeon boss might pull out his 99% dmg ability.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Personally I'm able to live without Kaiten, but the reason of removal being button bloat stirs me.

Things you could consolidate:

Shoha -> Shoha II: Upgrade, like PLD Expiacion
Guren -> Senei: Upgrade, keep Guren range but make it cone for wider AOE and obviously potency upgrade
Ikishoten -> Ogi Namikiri: button combo

Also for the love of god, give me back Tenka Gokken's cone AOE, this is as awful as the Overpower change for me.

[Hezhi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...on_main_story/
https://www.famitsu.com/news/202208/09271375.html

Devs are talking about some combat changes. The upcoming crit changes going to be explained soon, more information on DRG/AST reworks. Still no mention of SAM...?

Personally I'm able to live without Kaiten, but the reason of removal being button bloat stirs me.

Things you could consolidate:

Shoha -> Shoha II: Upgrade, like PLD Expiacion
Guren -> Senei: Upgrade, keep Guren range but make it cone for wider AOE and obviously potency upgrade
Ikishoten -> Ogi Namikiri: button combo

Also for the love of god, give me back Tenka Gokken's cone AOE, this is as awful as the Overpower change for me.

Agreed... And it's less about Kaiten being great, more Shinten spam being really bad. Just give us something, anything.
The reason they're not merging Ougi Namikiri with Ikishoten is because we're getting single target ougi next expansion :^)

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...on_main_story/
https://www.famitsu.com/news/202208/09271375.html

Devs are talking about some combat changes. The upcoming crit changes going to be explained soon, more information on DRG/AST reworks. Still no mention of SAM...?



Agreed... And it's less about Kaiten being great, more Shinten spam being really bad. Just give us something, anything.
The reason they're not merging Ougi Namikiri with Ikishoten is because we're getting single target ougi next expansion :^)

Crit changes most likely being something in the line of bonus damage % if you had a crit rate buff while having maxed crit rate. I hope they do similar for Direct Hit (and it hopefully also affecting materia).

"Single Target Ogi Namikiri". Blergh. We really don't need more ST + AOE variants for long cooldowns.

[xAFROx]

Personally I'm able to live without Kaiten, but the reason of removal being button bloat stirs me.

Things you could consolidate:

Shoha -> Shoha II: Upgrade, like PLD Expiacion
Guren -> Senei: Upgrade, keep Guren range but make it cone for wider AOE and obviously potency upgrade
Ikishoten -> Ogi Namikiri: button combo

Also for the love of god, give me back Tenka Gokken's cone AOE, this is as awful as the Overpower change for me.

Honestly, as much as I hate the change on WAR from cone to circle, I hate the SAM change more. Squishy dps need to stand with tank to hit anything in dungeons, and it's a cast.

But it's already been well established that button bloat was not the real issue. Granted, they gave us about 5 separate reasons, and each one of those has been debunked pretty harshly by players at each turn.

At the end of the day, still gonna say the changes overall to SAM is what outraged its playerbase and kaiten is, mainly, the easiest thing to point to as why since a lot of the general adjustments it got were done to 'compensate' getting rid of it... even though every iaijutsu feels significantly weaker now. When I read guaranteed crit, I expected to see a good number each time. But instead it's barely hitting above my gcd combos and that's pathetic.

If folks wanted to play a job who consistently pumps out damage through primarily a steady flow of GCDs, that already existed and it shares gear with SAM.

[xAFROx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...on_main_story/
https://www.famitsu.com/news/202208/09271375.html

Devs are talking about some combat changes. The upcoming crit changes going to be explained soon, more information on DRG/AST reworks. Still no mention of SAM...?



Agreed... And it's less about Kaiten being great, more Shinten spam being really bad. Just give us something, anything.
The reason they're not merging Ougi Namikiri with Ikishoten is because we're getting single target ougi next expansion :^)

Why does everyone keep saying we should get a Single Target Ogi Namikiri? There's literally no reason for another redundant skill.

If anything should have been pruned or consolidated, we have multiple options already and multiple ways that can be done.

The only skills that make sense to keep separate from aoe and st is shinten and kyuten as those are the dump skills for the gauge.

Everything else after that, ok, it isn't terrible to keep, but to keep making more like that is just ridiculous. That would be creating the problem they claimed to have tried to fix.

[CelestiCer]

Nah that's honestly not simple enough.

SE heard our feedback ( not ), some players miss the old Tenka Goken... hence SE decided to change all Iaijutsu, Shinten, Enpi, Yaten, Gyoten, Hakaze and even Meditation into Conal AoE's, just like Ogi Namikiri. Then players will complain on how " oh so finger breaking it is " to play with impossible to aim Conal skills, and turn EVERYTHING into Circles, including Hagakure being a Circle AoE. Not sure how they will manage to do that, but they obviously know what they are doing so Ikishoten even will be an AoE Circle. They totally got this o/ /s

[fulminating]

Why does everyone keep saying we should get a Single Target Ogi Namikiri? There's literally no reason for another redundant skill.

It's not that we should, it's that we will

[Vencio]

Q

Gonna add this Vencio alt to my ignore list

I don't want to play anything else, sam was perfect. I'd rather unsub. YoshiP asked for our feedback and we gave it. Now it's up to them on Friday to at least acknowledge the feedback

-sighs & shakes head- I am flattered; I don’t do alts unfortunately.

-lowers the gates- More than welcome to exit out given your utmost commitment to Kaiten.

PS: Sincerely Vencio aka The Elezen Prince of Hearts