Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[george357]

if you don't like the current job pick another till the job is corrected you have 17 to choose from crying about it for over 61 padges does not work the programmers will get this done in their time not yours.

[Ruminous]

if you don't like the current job pick another till the job is corrected you have 17 to choose from crying about it for over 61 padges does not work the programmers will get this done in their time not yours.

So glad you came in to give us this little nugget. It's almost like you're complaining that we're complaining over a bad choice that they made. They asked for feedback, we provided it. For months. Some of us have picked other jobs to play or quit, but people complain because they care.

Also, we pay these people for their game. Monthly subscription, familiar with that? Our time is money too.

[Flashy]

Q

if you don't like the current job pick another till the job is corrected you have 17 to choose from crying about it for over 61 padges does not work the programmers will get this done in their time not yours.

Gonna add this Vencio alt to my ignore list

I don't want to play anything else, sam was perfect. I'd rather unsub. YoshiP asked for our feedback and we gave it. Now it's up to them on Friday to at least acknowledge the feedback

[OdinelStarrei]

if you don't like the current job pick another till the job is corrected you have 17 to choose from crying about it for over 61 padges does not work the programmers will get this done in their time not yours.

This is categorically incorrect. Even if healers are still ruined, and MCH still has the same issues that have plagued it for years now despite pages and pages of feedback, you only need to look at the Dark Knight megathread at over 300 pages, originating at the tail end of ShB as proof that the possibility for change is always there. We didn't get the changes we NEEDED until 6.1, and had to deal with the development team effectively ignoring us for multiple years beforehand. And we're still pretty screwed to be honest.

And shocker, you can complain about a job you aren't actively playing, especially if recent, very controversial changes to said job caused you to STOP(see SMN). Those aren't linked traits.

You cannot remove the stairs in a house and say you'll put in an elevator in two years. That doesn't make any sense.

If the SAM players want to object to the backwards job design in this game, it's their prerogative to do so to better fulfill the game experience they want, the developers wanted the feedback. Prefer them to cry about it and make a fuss than let SE walk all over them as they ruin more and more of their own gameplay loops with zero pushback. Bet you'll say the same thing when they destroy and lobotomize DRG next. It's a race to the bottom.

Disagree with it all you want, you're just digging into an already entrenched, defensive faction who will collectively push back against opposition, even more so if it's over-emotional, confrontational waffling instead of fact-based analysis, since their back is against the wall for their main and they have no other choice if they've abandoned the "give up" option. Let them rage in their infinite spiral of anger and resentment. Sometimes it works.

At this point, I wonder if they'll have to wait until live letter Q&A or even the next expansions Media Tour to get even a possibility of an answer. The more I look into this, the more I find it mirroring my own experiences. The same passion, the same silence, the same frustration, the same bad faith non-mains with a PhD in gaslighting and misdirection.

I got my breadcrumbs in the famine. I hope everyone else does as well, if only so people aren't so miserable.

[Vencio]

If anything, given the length of your response it appears you’re far emotionally invested & impulsive that just cannot take what the job has & just forevermore still remain under limbo & uttering out far more “repetitive” statements all while showing a rather aggressive reaction to anyone that doesn’t align with your ideals, then again who am I kidding if Celes, Rensu & others just reinforce that chain in such defiance : /

-Sips Ishgardian wine-

PS: Sincerely Vencio The Elezen Prince of Hearts

[ThorneDynasty]

if you don't like the current job pick another till the job is corrected you have 17 to choose from crying about it for over 61 padges does not work the programmers will get this done in their time not yours.

Which job is that? Half the jobs are dumbed down together into the same lukewarm smush already. The entire healer role plays the same. Half the tanks play the same. One third of the casters literally got uprooted and turned into the fourth, least interesting, physical ranged. Now they are looking for any excuse to dumb down the whole melee role despite just adding a new melee job all about fulfilling the niche for an extra simple melee. (Mind you, I love Reaper but it should not be the only playstyle available. That's the point of a class system, having varied styles).

But yes, let's keep ignoring everyone pointing out and criticizing the trend until all you can say is "well if you want any depth or identity you have BLM and NIN to choose from, stop complaining".

[Quor]

It's not even a dry burger, to continue this rather comical analogy. What we had before was a delicious burger. It had all the fixins, whatever makes you go "mmmmm," including this wonderful house-made aioli that just went so well with everything else on the menu. Then, for no logical reason at all, they took away the patty and replaced it with a piece of paper that read "please look forward to it" while the aioli got swapped out for a cheap off-brand mayonnaise that technically works but has a smell to it that makes all the other members of your party - you know, the ones with aioli-centered buffs - hold their noses because of how smelly this new off-brand mayo is. Now none of your aioli-centric friends want to come to dinner with you anymore.

So you ask the waiter to get the chef out here so you can see whats up with your burger, and the chef initially tells you that the burger was deemed to be too big. It was taking up too much plate space, so the meat was removed in order to free up plate space for more casual eaters. But then you point out that the bun, lettuce and tomato all occupy the same physical space, so nothing has changed as the same amount of plate real estate is still in use, and maybe instead of removing the burger patty they could have cut back on the asston of lettuce they've added to the burger, or used a slightly smaller-but-still-plenty-big-enough bun.

So the chef stammers out that he misspoke and there was a mistranslation in his brain and that the real issue is that the burger was taking too many bites to eat, so removing the patty was the correct choice in order to reduce the number of "chewing actions per minute" (CAPM) so that eating the burger wasn't as busy. But when you point out that the bun, lettuce, tomato and everything else is the same size - and requires almost the exact same amount of bites to eat, and in fact only takes one less bite to eat now then it did the last time you were at the restaurant - the chef stammers out an excuse about how management was very concerned with "burger eating variance" and the removal of the patty and addition of the stinky, cheap, off-brand mayo was a way to cut down on the difference in time it took people to eat the burger.

But then you mention how there were so many more elegant ways that could have changed the burger to achieve the alleged desired result without removing the patty or switching to a functional-but-stinky mayonnaise, and you even offered a number of suggestions that would accommodate the chef's goal. So finally the chef sighs in defeat and admits that the real reason the burger patty and house-made aioli was removed is because the patty was simply too much work to correctly deal with and all aioli's across the restaurant were ultimately going to be drastically changed at some point in the future, but they just decided to implement the changes to this particular burger first because removing all of the aioli at once is simply too drastic a change for the restaurant staff to handle. The chef then promises us that the removal of the patty and the change of the aioli to the smelly mayo is for the better, and to please try the burger (just eat around the "please look forward to it" note inside) despite the fact that - as burger connoisseurs - we know exactly how bad a burger with no patty tastes because we've been eating no-patty burgers every time we stopped by the Crystal Tower bar during happy hour.

Would you go to that restaurant again? If the chef, or some waiter, or the manager even, just kept coming up with excuse after excuse for why you're eating a shit product that was once very good? Food critics would be writing scathing reviews about this restaurant, lamenting the bad direction that the management is taking in regards to the menu, and wondering out loud what other major menu changes are in the pipeline, waiting to ruin your formerly-great dining experience. Such a thing wouldn't be tolerated in the slightest; the customers would revolt and refuse to eat at the restaurant, which would then go under in spectacular fashion.

[butchersblock]

borgers

yours are pretty much the only big walls of text I read and it never disappoints lmfao

[Ruminous]

Burgers.

I loved this analogy. To continue it though, I swapped to the leaner chicken burger. Because you know, why would I want the awful tasting one with the chef adding too much failsauce to the meat. Eventually though, I'll wonder if my chicken burger will wear out its welcome and I'll have to pick a different place to dine in.

[Yeastyloins]

Insert based analogy

You also forgot to mention that other people are getting burgers that legit have "chewing actions per minute" variance and the chef just shrugs at you.