Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[Ruminous]

I think the main thing we want is an acknowledgement of the feedback in some way shape or for. A statement that they're considering it at the very least.

But others have pointed out that similarly removed skills have been brought back in the past on these so called "minor patches".

Which I think I remember happening. Hagakure and Energy Drain. Granted, those had no statement made about it beforehand, nor did the removal of those skills involve an entire potency shift on the entire kit, but I imagine if they can alter potencies in any patch, major or minor, then this can still be done on either one, too.

With how vocal the SAM community at large has been, there should've been something by now.

Trust me, I've been wanting explanations too on why they went the route they did. You've even seen that too, since I know you're read other things I've posted. They haven't cared about what we thought since they can't even take 2 minutes at most to just say "we've heard you and we're planning something" or "this is fine, just live with it". Glad it isn't the latter at least, but still, the radio silence is already old.

[xAFROx]

That's a huge "If", one that's unlikely to be true given their choices in the recent and not-so-recent past.

Well, they used to give at least a few of the jobs that kind of treatment for a bit, at least. PLD, BLM, DRG, SAM, and RDM.

Now it looks like BLM and RDM have the most consistency when it comes to the core-growth ratio. Mind you, I don't have BLM on any character I've made, but I never seen any major change to that aside from Ley Lines getting the Greased Lightning Blood of the Dragon treatment into a trait.

But I digress.

[xAFROx]

Trust me, I've been wanting explanations too on why they went the route they did. You've even seen that too, since I know you're read other things I've posted. They haven't cared about what we thought since they can't even take 2 minutes at most to just say "we've heard you and we're planning something" or "this is fine, just live with it". Glad it isn't the latter at least, but still, the radio silence is already old.

I have indeed read quite a bit at this point. Mainly just the dps role forums as that's what I typically main, though currently at this point in time I am a GNB main, until such time as they fix SAM, I'll be using that for most daily content now if I'm not actively leveling something.

[CelestiCer]

The changes were unacceptable, and it felt lazy. If I go on my alt, where I have to do ARR? my Kaiten is gone filled with Shinten to AoE because I have no Kyuten. The descriptions on release also were not matching anymore. Even the Samurai Class quests had Tenka Goken still being a cone from a Samurai NPC you face. This all just indicates lazy changes, unpolished and almost random.

But, I am at this point where I am assuming they are willingly ignoring the Forums so they can also do their Primals, Live Concert. Which was a while ago already by now? and definitely screw over another part our of Job or our Job entirely and other jobs by 6.2. Not even going to be surprised.

[Ruminous]

The changes were unacceptable, and it felt lazy. If I go on my alt, where I have to do ARR? my Kaiten is gone filled with Shinten to AoE because I have no Kyuten. The descriptions on release also were not matching anymore. Even the Samurai Class quests had Tenka Goken still being a cone from a Samurai NPC you face. This all just indicates lazy changes, unpolished and almost random.

But, I am at this point where I am assuming they are willingly ignoring the Forums so they can also do their Primals, Live Concert. Which was a while ago already by now? and definitely screw over another part our of Job or our Job entirely and other jobs by 6.2. Not even going to be surprised.

Believe in another thread I said they were treating us like beta testers on these changes. And part of me is curious if this is to see how well received other changes would be to other jobs when they're up next on the chopping block.

[Roxus]

Honestly I've been waiting so long, I started reaching out to my old friend circles outside FFXIV. I've concluded this game's combat is a waste of time at this point, it doesn't respect your time in the slightest. As someone else has said, this game is a glorified chat room. A lot of my friends and static are also quitting for various reasons in how the game is designed, especially raids. This is coming from a group of players who have been tackling savage and ultimate raids for years now. Anyone who enjoys the game - I hope you continue to do so. I don't anymore and neither do the friends I log in for. Unless the devs tell me they made a mistake and are going to focus on improving the entire combat and job system in general, I can't support them. They can't even admit the Samurai changes were a failure and as predicted, have stayed silent so it will die down.

As I mentioned in the JP thread, the only feedback they seem to take is money. A game that can't even muster a one line response to the feedback is insulting when you see a plethora of other issues pass by and are formally addressed in paragraphs upon paragraphs. Not even asking for the changes itself to be reverted immediately - literally a one line response would have been enough. For a sub based game, how the community's issues are treated are a slap in the face. One of the first to use streams to address certain issues and such, now it's just hyping up their content and not much else. The time they use on stream has gradually shifted away from addressing concerns or giving explanations. If this is the result of wanting to be tight lipped about literally everything, well it doesn't work. Anyone with eyes can see the changes are clearly not well received and denying that is just ignorant. Dodging long standing issues for so long and not formally addressing them is just insulting, and you know which issues I am talking about, it's not only Samurai.

[AsiTsurugi]

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These devs making a mistake? Never. Don't you worry, we will get a "I am SO sorry that you don't want to play the game anymore, see you never because I am never wrong. Oh, btw, our PR team talked to Asmongold again to make him play the game again for a bit, so you can get lost, we will get our revenue anyway" from Yoshida any day now.

Also you say "hyping up content", but I fail to see what content this game has that demands 15 dollars a month to access. It's clear the game is on life support for a couple of years now because they are siphoning money off of it for FF16. Raids? Watered down to nothing. Dungeons? Less than half the volume of what it was prior to Shadowbringers. Open world? Does not exist. Jobs? "It's too hard for our tiny brains to wrap our heads around decent class design so lol". Only "content" they seem to be capable of is a story that's not as good as some single-player games but requires 15 dollars a month and full box price to access, and "leveling". And once all of that is done? "Yoshida said you can unsub and come back whenever you want xd". I want to know the "coming back" rate of players that unsubbed from this game. I can't imagine that's a lot given it barely has anything for people to come back to for the premium it demands for access.

Also you talked about SE not addressing issues. Clearly feedback or players that are not "influencers" or "journalists" don't matter if you are outside JP. Connection issues and packet loss for years in NA and EU? "Get off of that wi-fi xd". Lobby issues? "Get off of that wi-fi xd". Connection issues in JP? "Give us your network logs and we will contact ISPs right now". Feedback of any kind that does not raise a stink in social media or outside forums? "lol keep crying, we have better things to do like milking as much cash off of you as possible". I have not seen another company that is so blatantly against other regions that still gets puts on a pedestal undeservedly by a playerbase in a parasocial relation with it.

Coming to think of it, the BLM PvP changes were addressed that quickly because of some memes. I guess it's time to make memes on social media about this company's incompetence and I imagine there will be responses in double time.

[Soge01]

The devs will have to learn the hard way not to simplify their content for a potential majority.

If any other MMO can offer the amount of casual content XIV currently has, such as housing, Gold Saucer and all that other stuff, on top of giving the playerbase real individualized job classes and a flora of different diffculty adjustable content, then XIV will suffer a slow and painful death if they don't change their ways.

I don't hate XIV, I just want to see this game improve. But when they make sudden changes to content, such as Job class design and continue to ignore massive amounts of feedback on it. Well...I wouldn't mind the devs getting fed a some humble pie. Especially since they've been doing what they are doing now to Samurai to Tanks and Healer roles for years.

It took them several years to finally fix DRK's Living Dead ability because they were so stubborn about how if they changed it then it would strip the identity from the job. Which, ironically, they had already done that years ago back in SB when they removed literally everything that actually gave that job what little identity it had and turned it into Warrior with extra buttons, lmao!

[xAFROx]

These devs making a mistake? Never. Don't you worry, we will get a "I am SO sorry that you don't want to play the game anymore, see you never because I am never wrong. Oh, btw, our PR team talked to Asmongold again to make him play the game again for a bit, so you can get lost, we will get our revenue anyway" from Yoshida any day now.

Also you say "hyping up content", but I fail to see what content this game has that demands 15 dollars a month to access. It's clear the game is on life support for a couple of years now because they are siphoning money off of it for FF16. Raids? Watered down to nothing. Dungeons? Less than half the volume of what it was prior to Shadowbringers. Open world? Does not exist. Jobs? "It's too hard for our tiny brains to wrap our heads around decent class design so lol". Only "content" they seem to be capable of is a story that's not as good as some single-player games but requires 15 dollars a month and full box price to access, and "leveling". And once all of that is done? "Yoshida said you can unsub and come back whenever you want xd". I want to know the "coming back" rate of players that unsubbed from this game. I can't imagine that's a lot given it barely has anything for people to come back to for the premium it demands for access.

Also you talked about SE not addressing issues. Clearly feedback or players that are not "influencers" or "journalists" don't matter if you are outside JP. Connection issues and packet loss for years in NA and EU? "Get off of that wi-fi xd". Lobby issues? "Get off of that wi-fi xd". Connection issues in JP? "Give us your network logs and we will contact ISPs right now". Feedback of any kind that does not raise a stink in social media or outside forums? "lol keep crying, we have better things to do like milking as much cash off of you as possible". I have not seen another company that is so blatantly against other regions that still gets puts on a pedestal undeservedly by a playerbase in a parasocial relation with it.

Coming to think of it, the BLM PvP changes were addressed that quickly because of some memes. I guess it's time to make memes on social media about this company's incompetence and I imagine there will be responses in double time.

I'd unsub and come back for major patch cycles maybe.... but it's just easier to keep a yearly sub auto-paid... also, I have a personal and fc house to ensure doesn't get demolished.

[Rolder50]

I'd unsub and come back for major patch cycles maybe.... but it's just easier to keep a yearly sub auto-paid... also, I have a personal and fc house to ensure doesn't get demolished.

Being held hostage by house demolition, classic.