Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[ShanaShirayuki]

Hi folks. Just a small update here. Many are just fed up waiting and are voicing they want to go back to 6.08. And if the developers don't want to, to explain why they are ignoring the large amount of feedback worldwide. Everything that needs to be said has been said, but people don't want the issue to die. Personally I'm considering joining healers in using the "Leave a Suggestion" button ingame to start sending feedback (in addition to the forums and twitter). I'm tired of the silence. Oh btw people in General are starting to bleed into the conversation, I just removed a passive aggressive tag from this thread's tags because the CMs can't be bothered to moderate. People in General apparently do that to mock other people's issues. Can't be bothered to actually read the feedback and criticism people have but have enough time to try and leave some really petty messages like some middle school children.

I saw one of those tags in Celesti's compilation thread. Extremely childish behavior from users who are too cowardly to post themselves. Same vein as those who would hide behind forum alts and troll. On another note, the class still feels boring as ever. I get more of a rush playing the PvP version; still insulting that Kaiten and job identity exist there but not in PvE.

[Quor]

Hi folks. Just a small update here. Many are just fed up waiting and are voicing they want to go back to 6.08. And if the developers don't want to, to explain why they are ignoring the large amount of feedback worldwide. Everything that needs to be said has been said, but people don't want the issue to die. Personally I'm considering joining healers in using the "Leave a Suggestion" button ingame to start sending feedback (in addition to the forums and twitter). I'm tired of the silence. Oh btw people in General are starting to bleed into the conversation, I just removed a passive aggressive tag from this thread's tags because the CMs can't be bothered to moderate. People in General apparently do that to mock other people's issues. Can't be bothered to actually read the feedback and criticism people have but have enough time to try and leave some really petty messages like some middle school children.

Oh goody, the tag trolls are here. That's when you know we've hit the big time.

[Roxus]

Every day I come home from work it isn't to enjoy my time in FF14, it's coming to the forums to fight for the enjoyment in the first place. I am one of those players that only really enjoys one job. Samurai is what I love most and the rest are just there for when I need them for the sake of convenience, such as static subbing. The design philosophy of the developers is so backwards I am actually in disbelief.

It's another week and we still don't have a proper explanation. Yet another post addressing another issue, though I am glad they are finally getting their head out of the sand regarding packet loss. If it's so difficult to write a proper message giving the developer's reasonings or excuses as to why these changes were brought to light in the first place, I think it's time to swallow your pride and discard the changes, no matter how much time you spent on them. Because that doesn't matter - the changes broke something that should never be broken. Acknowledge that and in the post tell us how you intend to fix the job by 6.2 at the latest. I'm expecting 6.08 reversion for Samurai in 6.15 if the developers continue to stay silent.

As said in the JP side, I'm asking you to not ignore more than 100 pages of feedback. You asked for it. You have it now. If you do nothing with it, you are going to lose much more trust than you already have.

[KurenXIV]

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Yeah . . . it's clear they do not care at ALL at this point. They can make posts about a ping issue but not about the feedback? Here's how simple it is: "We thank all the players who are so passionate about the game and their roles within it. We have heard your voices in regards to the Samurai changes that launched in 6.1 and are looking into it". Done. No promises, no guarantees, just an acknowledgement.

I've fully come to terms that 6.2 LL will come and go with zero mention of the SAM changes and the job will remain dead. The people who want to be at the top of dungeon dps will continue to play it because it's braindead easy now but the general numbers will stay low and they will call it a job well done and move on to destroying DRG and AST next.

[Wyssahtyn]

They can make posts about a ping issue but not about the feedback?

not just any ping issue, one that's been apparently widely reported for ages (def not just since 6.1 like the director claims, at least for the wider world) and got ignored until i guess JP players recently started having issues. shame they haven't said anything about the animation lock issue.

[xAFROx]

Yeah . . . it's clear they do not care at ALL at this point. They can make posts about a ping issue but not about the feedback? Here's how simple it is: "We thank all the players who are so passionate about the game and their roles within it. We have heard your voices in regards to the Samurai changes that launched in 6.1 and are looking into it". Done. No promises, no guarantees, just an acknowledgement.

I've fully come to terms that 6.2 LL will come and go with zero mention of the SAM changes and the job will remain dead. The people who want to be at the top of dungeon dps will continue to play it because it's braindead easy now but the general numbers will stay low and they will call it a job well done and move on to destroying DRG and AST next.

A statement like that is all I've been expecting from the devs since 6.1 dropped. Hopefully now that the housing issue has seemingly been resolved and the other hotfixes have happened and they even managed to adjust job actions in a smaller patch (albeit, pvp actions only) maybe now they'll address the outcry for SAM and, even more hope, take a look at the other jobs/roles that have been vocal for a long while too.

[Roxus]

If YoshiP would put in even half as much effort as his most recent announcement regarding PvP for Job Balance concerns we'd have a much happier community. What a joke. Many things said in that post should have been said about PvE balance. This isn't exclusive to Samurai either, it's just a huge *----* joke how we're all treated.

Edit: Start from page 324 of the JP Samurai thread if you want to see reactions to the PvP announcement. I'd like to remind you all Samurai isn't the only job voicing their frustrations and rarely, if ever for some jobs, it being addressed properly.

[ShanaShirayuki]

If YoshiP would put in even half as much effort as his most recent announcement regarding PvP for Job Balance concerns we'd have a much happier community. What a joke. Many things said in that post should have been said about PvE balance. This isn't exclusive to Samurai either, it's just a huge *----* joke how we're all treated.

Edit: Start from page 324 of the JP Samurai thread if you want to see reactions to the PvP announcement. I'd like to remind you all Samurai isn't the only job voicing their frustrations and rarely, if ever for some jobs, it being addressed properly.

"In touch with the playerbase" Yeah right. Could've easily made an announcement regarding their screwup with 6.1 as they did with this recent PvP patch. I read through those posts using DeepL and it's nice to see JP call the devs' hypocrisy out regarding balance and playerbase communication.

[AsiTsurugi]

"In touch with the playerbase" Yeah right. Could've easily made an announcement regarding their screwup with 6.1 as they did with this recent PvP patch. I read through those posts using DeepL and it's nice to see JP call the devs' hypocrisy out regarding balance and playerbase communication.

Probably too busy massaging their bruised (and undeserved) ego getting all the feedback they have been getting, either politely or aggressively worded. They have definitely lost any respect or goodwill I had for this dev team and I cannot care less how they are "hurt" because of the feedback. If they screwed up, they deserve the consequences of the screw-up, same as everyone that has ever existed.

Also how is it that "packet loss" got addressed only when it happened in JP when NA and EU have been complaining about that for months and years? How is it that this dev team is allowed to get away with behaviour bordering on xenophobia and still "praised" over and over again for whatever minor and less than inconsequential things they do?

[Hezhi]

Also how is it that "packet loss" got addressed only when it happened in JP when NA and EU have been complaining about that for months and years? How is it that this dev team is allowed to get away with behaviour bordering on xenophobia and still "praised" over and over again for whatever minor and less than inconsequential things they do?

I dont know how long you been playing but this community has a long history of brushing off all the valid criticism aimed at the game or dev team because (i think) they feel like its a personal attack, as they feel so parasocially close to XIV and the main face of the dev team, yoshiP. I've been bitching and moaning about packet loss and responsiveness issues in particular for as long as I can remember lol but I've barely ever gotten people to even acknowledge it because they're drowning in copium and happy with the state of things overall.

I love the devs too they're fine, the game is good. But for a few years now the job design decisions they've made have just been baffling, look at the state of tanks and glare bots compared to how they were. Look at the absolute state of SMN.
I don't want SAM to be the next SMN. Come on u guys revert Kaiten like u did Hagakure.

That makes a lot of sense. I guess something like that has more serious implications than the removal of Kaiten ever could.

Its funny because them addressing that while 99% of SAM mains are madging over here feels like preferential treatment in itself and actually reinforces these meme implications???