Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[FrogBiscuit]

Hey all.

One question for you guys - Are you "used to it" by now? How the job plays currently? Because that has been sprinkled here and there as an argument to keep the changes. Because people have already adjusted to these changes, "It's impossible to return to 6.08".

Personally speaking...don't be ridiculous. How in the world did you get "used to it" when the changes were first put in? Are you saying people are incapable of adjusting back to what we once had? Rather, this is a mindset of one who feels inconvenienced and nothing more regarding the job.

On another note, Meditate has been brought up as being hard to utilize in it's fullest, especially in Ultimate. People argue that the reward is nonexistent, more so now that we lost all meaning in the Kenki gauge.

No.

It still feels terrible and like something is missing. Overall feel of SAM feels sloppy and non-engaging.

In fact it has driven me to explore other classes, which didn't really replace/fill in for the feel of SAM, and following this, have gradually stopped logging in and haven't been playing.

I still feel that anything but a revert back to pre-6.1 and more importantly, class design in the same direction that was originally intended for the class and what we have experienced, engaged with, and enjoyed for the past 4 - 5 years, will fail and fall short.

I strongly disagree with the simplification of the game and will be the prime factor in me not playing FFXIV anymore. SE can change their game in what ever direction they want. But I did not play FFXIV for bonehead, hand holding simple. In fact, I played FFXIV for the very exact thing they removed, the fun SAM gameplay.

If its not in the game anymore, I'll find something more enjoyable, and clearly I shouldn't be looking for that enjoyment within the same game, if this is their planned direction. If I want to play a cellphone mmo, I would have picked out a cellphone mmo. I didn't have any expectation that a enjoyable PC mmo that I have invested plenty of time in, would divert path, mid-product life and try to become a cellphone mmo.

[Xenon_S]

Hey all.

One question for you guys - Are you "used to it" by now? How the job plays currently? Because that has been sprinkled here and there as an argument to keep the changes. Because people have already adjusted to these changes, "It's impossible to return to 6.08".

Personally speaking...don't be ridiculous. How in the world did you get "used to it" when the changes were first put in? Are you saying people are incapable of adjusting back to what we once had? Rather, this is a mindset of one who feels inconvenienced and nothing more regarding the job.

On another note, Meditate has been brought up as being hard to utilize in it's fullest, especially in Ultimate. People argue that the reward is nonexistent, more so now that we lost all meaning in the Kenki gauge.

I have refused to play Samurai in PVE content since 6.1, I refuse to play something that is intentionally less interesting to play.
Instead I've taken back up NIN, my main since 3.0 to prog dragonsong ultimate.

IMO, NIN being able to hit 100k+ Direct Crit Hyoshos destroys any argument for SAM auto critting.

My DSR static had a SAM subbing in once, and he was just hating life in there.
P1 can't effectively double dot cuz adelphel jumps away (dots dont tick during jump aways)
P2 can't dot at all due to jump aways, sen alignment and kenki generation is also a mess
Meditate being effectively useless due to the movement requirements, I often see him run to a safe spot for 1 part of the mechanic, holds up sword to meditate, and immediately forced to move elsewhere, I doubt he even got any meaningful gain from it.

I felt so bad for him because he is a nin main but I don't have another non-sam/nin melee at bis to swap to.

[AsiTsurugi]

P2 can't dot at all due to jump aways, sen alignment and kenki generation is also a mess

Aren't you glad that Midare doesn't hit for more than a Gekko and Kasha now? (/sarcasm)

[Ruminous]

I have refused to play Samurai in PVE content since 6.1, I refuse to play something that is intentionally less interesting to play.
Instead I've taken back up NIN, my main since 3.0 to prog dragonsong ultimate.

IMO, NIN being able to hit 100k+ Direct Crit Hyoshos destroys any argument for SAM auto critting.

My DSR static had a SAM subbing in once, and he was just hating life in there.
P1 can't effectively double dot cuz adelphel jumps away (dots dont tick during jump aways)
P2 can't dot at all due to jump aways, sen alignment and kenki generation is also a mess
Meditate being effectively useless due to the movement requirements, I often see him run to a safe spot for 1 part of the mechanic, holds up sword to meditate, and immediately forced to move elsewhere, I doubt he even got any meaningful gain from it.

I felt so bad for him because he is a nin main but I don't have another non-sam/nin melee at bis to swap to.

Yeah, when I DCH Hyosho I get a nice little rush. Even if I don't, I can always say "still better than ogi namikiri lolol"

Anyway, that was my experience when I first played samurai in Dragonsong and the combination of it being nuked into braindead simple as well as the way the mechanics go, I wanted something that would be a bit more stimulating for me. Thus, ninja. Yay. Didn't even have a full BIS set and even then was contributing more with only a few days worth of practice.

[RyuuZero]

Yeah, when I DCH Hyosho I get a nice little rush. Even if I don't, I can always say "still better than ogi namikiri lolol"

Ogi Namikiri still feels good, though I think the reason why they removed Kaiten was because of it also boosting Ogi Namikiri.. but to do a Kaiten before Ogi is a Learning Curve, not a Problem to call "Button Bloat"!

[AsiTsurugi]

Ogi Namikiri still feels good, though I think the reason why they removed Kaiten was because of it also boosting Ogi Namikiri.. but to do a Kaiten before Ogi is a Learning Curve, not a Problem to call "Button Bloat"!

But it hits for the same amount as no crit or dh before 6.1. It feels very neutered compared to the 6.08 version, and so does Midare to be honest. Getting used to the pre-6.1 "highs" makes these post-6.1 "whatevers" feel worse in comparison. Not to mention a crit direct Midare easily outdamages a post-6.1 ogi, similar to how a crit direct Gekko or Kasha can do more damage than a Midare. It just feels bad no matter how I look at it.

[Ruminous]

Ogi Namikiri still feels good, though I think the reason why they removed Kaiten was because of it also boosting Ogi Namikiri.. but to do a Kaiten before Ogi is a Learning Curve, not a Problem to call "Button Bloat"!

I wish ogi namikiri felt good to use. For 2 minutes between uses, it might as well use a wet noodle to do its strikes. But yeah, using kaiten is a learning curve. Obviously.

[NohimeOda]

Hey all.

One question for you guys - Are you "used to it" by now? How the job plays currently?

Yes, I'm more used to it. That does not mean I don't resent every moment I touch it.

[Stellarwind]

Hey all.

One question for you guys - Are you "used to it" by now? How the job plays currently? Because that has been sprinkled here and there as an argument to keep the changes. Because people have already adjusted to these changes, "It's impossible to return to 6.08".

Personally speaking...don't be ridiculous. How in the world did you get "used to it" when the changes were first put in? Are you saying people are incapable of adjusting back to what we once had? Rather, this is a mindset of one who feels inconvenienced and nothing more regarding the job.

On another note, Meditate has been brought up as being hard to utilize in it's fullest, especially in Ultimate. People argue that the reward is nonexistent, more so now that we lost all meaning in the Kenki gauge.

Im still annoyed.. and completly unmotivated, i adjusted but i hate it... i still call for a roll back and proper thinking over the changes, the more i use tenka goken the way it is now, the more i hate it... forcing a melee casting in the middle of a mobgroup and making us hope the tank stands still is not making it better, its even more worse, its disgusting... this is NOT a well thinked decision, thats an insult...
The flatted out dmg from the rotation overall is still not making it better... it feels horrible even after that times, i just can repeat myself.. samurai feels like a bad cooked dish from kitchen nigthmares, blant.. without life, no excitement and no feeling.
and about button bloat or making the class more accessable for beginners... thats not in any way true, nothing will change, the beginners and people that have no clue what they are saying or thinking because they are lazy will not improve at all, they will remain lazy and will not try to learn samurai properly... maybe if you remove everything and make it a one button class, i mean the way leads to it right now lol... i still see bad samurai behavior as tank/samurai player, and i dont need a plugin to see that, opening your eyes on your teammates is enough, in short: change is bad, it did nothing at all.. only making people mad and newbie players that are lazy... are still lazy.

[AsiTsurugi]

Hey all.

One question for you guys - Are you "used to it" by now? How the job plays currently? Because that has been sprinkled here and there as an argument to keep the changes. Because people have already adjusted to these changes, "It's impossible to return to 6.08".

Personally speaking...don't be ridiculous. How in the world did you get "used to it" when the changes were first put in? Are you saying people are incapable of adjusting back to what we once had? Rather, this is a mindset of one who feels inconvenienced and nothing more regarding the job.

On another note, Meditate has been brought up as being hard to utilize in it's fullest, especially in Ultimate. People argue that the reward is nonexistent, more so now that we lost all meaning in the Kenki gauge.

I also asked a few of my SAM friends who do not frequent the forums and all of them are unequivocally horrified at the current state of SAM and are not "used to it" in the sense of how terrible its gameplay is. And pretty much all of us are waiting to clear DSR and then unsub and/or quit the game for good if this is the state of SAM after we clear the ultimate.