Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[Roxus]

Yes, we need to keep voicing our feedback, at least until our subs run out. I for sure am not renewing it without a proper explanation. I'm just tired of developers speaking atop a mountain down to us without being able to hear us in return. It's actually ridiculous. It truly is a game made for the company and not the players.

Not that I was expecting them to listen, of course. But you can only be disappointed so long. I'll let everyone know how the other communities react later today. Have a good night.

[Ruminous]

Called it, knew they wouldn't do anything to address the real problem samuaris have. Potency buffs on garbage skills. Woo, fantastic, break out the champagne.

Can you people just fix your busted UI so I can macro shinten to all my samurai skills and never have to worry about it? Or wait, don't bother, I stopped playing the class because you people still literally do not understand why samurai players don't care for it anymore. Small potency adjustments to make up for your earlier poorly thought out and even more poorly timed implementation of your changes. What the hell, devs? All you needed to do was add one ability back and remove a few obnoxious parameters on iaijutsus and fix their potency. That's it, nothing more, nothing else.

Here, I'll go farther for some changes for you. Remove iaijutsus. Problem solved, now you can move on and wreck another job. I'm sorry, I mean, "streamline" a job. God, I don't know if you people are worse than Blizzard's balancing team now or if they still win the award for worst class design ever. You guys are sure fighting hard for that trophy, and I'm afraid you're going to actually win that one.

Oh, before I forget, where's that refund on all the striking gear I acquired? I'd like all those tomes and books back so I can at least point them to another job that you hopefully wont screw up.

[Edweena]

We still haven't gotten word on the post or w/e they were wanting to make about Samurai? Communicate with us etc.
Samurai changes have been such a damper I've just been playing other games lol.

[Fable_Frost]

Please remove my kenki gauge, talk about gauge bloat...

[Roxus]

I can't sleep because I'm pissed off.

Let me tell you guys a secret - the changes today weren't to address our concerns, it was to widen the gap between meme rotation and normal rotation so it's no longer viable. But knowing SE's approach, they probably even failed at that.

I'll summarize the reaction so far in JP: Where is the communication? Did you read the forums? Loss of faith in the developers, saying goodbyes. A lot are convinced this was to tell us to shut up. There is a joke about this game lasting another 10 years at this rate. There's been a lot of pages made saying these same things. They are also aware that overseas players have the majorly shared opinion that the 6.1 changes are pure garbage.

But it doesn't stop there. CN and KR are also starting to get loud, while behind in patches, they know what's coming. Stop making adjustments for those who don't want to learn or improve. Existing users matter as much as new users.

[Quor]

I can't sleep because I'm pissed off.

Let me tell you guys a secret - the changes today weren't to address our concerns, it was to widen the gap between meme rotation and normal rotation so it's no longer viable. But knowing SE's approach, they probably even failed at that.

I'll summarize the reaction so far in JP: Where is the communication? Did you read the forums? Loss of faith in the developers, saying goodbyes. A lot are convinced this was to tell us to shut up. There is a joke about this game lasting another 10 years at this rate. There's been a lot of pages made saying these same things. They are also aware that overseas players have the majorly shared opinion that the 6.1 changes are pure garbage.

But it doesn't stop there. CN and KR are also starting to get loud, while behind in patches, they know what's coming. Stop making adjustments for those who don't want to learn or improve. Existing users matter as much as new users.

Ah, so, these changes were entirely to make Yuki spam rotation no longer viable. That makes sense.

Good to see that the other versions of the game are now making a stink about this too. Hopefully SE will understand the major mistake they have made, walk back the 6.1 SAM changes in their entirety and then start on a path of revising EVERY OTHER JOB that has suffered like this. Deal with MCH and their issues, address the boring healer rotations, add more complexity to what tanks can do beyond what's present for a tank in a savage or ultimate boss fight; actual REAL rotational challenge instead of the race to the bottom bullshit. That final quote makes a lot of sense. They might very well see a new influx of players but they'd be abandoning some of their longest-term and most stalwart subscribers for a casual playerbase who most definitely isn't going to stick with them through the years.

[Wyssahtyn]

these changes, lol. lmao even. i mean sure, it's a .11 patch so personally my expectations were low on them actually doing anything of substance, but damn you'd think they'd at least give some indication that they're paying attention to the actual issues that people have, and not just try nerfing a meme rotation by giving back some potency.

hell, didn't the director say sam and/or nin players would have their issues addressed? where the fuck's that message on the lodestone? housing got like four within days. and even shitters in pvp got talked about.

[CelestiCer]

these changes, lol. lmao even. i mean sure, it's a .11 patch so personally my expectations were low on them actually doing anything of substance, but damn you'd think they'd at least give some indication that they're paying attention to the actual issues that people have, and not just try nerfing a meme rotation by giving back some potency.

hell, didn't the director say sam and/or nin players would have their issues addressed? where the fuck's that message on the lodestone? housing got like four within days. and even shitters in pvp got talked about.

I mean wasn't Kaiten removal a tiny change? so a tiny re-correction shouldn't be to much to.... oh wait! no they can't cause it's to big of a change to revert a tiny change that meant a lot. Yup, that don't fly around here. I mean Square is after all a Indie-Company.... Quick changes to everything else is possible though that's for sure definitely. Gone start saying " We got Fk'd over... As is tradition ".

[Theodric_Thorne]

I mean wasn't Kaiten removal a tiny change? so a tiny re-correction shouldn't be to much to.... oh wait! no they can't cause it's to big of a change to revert a tiny change that meant a lot. Yup, that don't fly around here. I mean Square is after all a Indie-Company.... Quick changes to everything else is possible though that's for sure definitely. Gone start saying " We got Fk'd over... As is tradition ".

This right here is what drives me up the wall. They give us a band-aid in 6.11 because "we can't make bigger changes" and all it really does is make the meme rotation less viable next to the intended rotation. Midare still doesn't feel powerful. Why can't they just roll SAM back to 6.08 and come back to it later? Absolutely nothing was broken. Shinten spam is still a thing though, and I remember SE saying they didn't want that several times over the years. That's why Hagakure no longer converts Sen to Kenki at such a high rate, and even why it was temporarily removed.

So Shinten spam is bad, but it's never gone away. Meanwhile the rest of the job is basically dumpstered and the given reasons why range from "frustratingly vague" to "laughably contradictory."

[SiriusBreeze]

6.11 just killed meme rotation, but I wasn't expecting 6.11 to be the rollback patch (but a small part of me still hoped!). Going to keep the fight for kaiten and Samurai going till 6.2, that's the earliest I think we can expect real feedback on Samurai's future.