Keep overpower cone shaped!

[Terhix]

You're supposed to hit the mobs in front of you, and keep them there, even as non-WAR, so the additional surface area does not matter.

Oh come on, it makes no difference if you hit the pack ahead of you, behind you, or around you as you're making the pull. You hit the pack, sprint to the next pack and hit that, then move to the side to group them up. If you hit the second pack head on with old Overpower, you now have a pack behind you and a pack ahead of you, you have to move regardless of what shape AoE you used.

[castillle]

All I know is I used to do 5-7 dungeon rolos a day on WAR and thats probably going down to 0. Just played WAR in the new dunjin and I hate the change.

[Deceptus]

Because when you are making a pull, as in before the mobs are properly positioned, the larger the surface area is, the more mobs you can hit. That is not opinion, that is math.

Yes but AFTER that FIRST initial hit, the cone literally doesn't matter. At all.

In fact due to mob AI and them positioning themselves so they don't overlap their shared space it is entirely possible to MISS mobs DUE to the cone where the circle would hit them.

[Terhix]

Yes but AFTER that FIRST initial hit, the cone literally doesn't matter.

My friend, I was talking about the circle, because the circle has the larger surface area (~78.5 circle vs 64 cone).

[Kallis]

Just gonna say, I can tell this is actually a bad change bc the people asking to change it back have REASONS for wanting it back, and we're throwing up graphics and trying our darndest to explain how awful this is. Only arguments I've seen for keeping it basically boil down to "I don't really mind either way tbh lolz." This should be a no-brainer at this point, there are excellent reasons for a tank to have access to a basic tanking tool, and it's becoming increasing clear at this point the only people who are okay with losing it never understood the point in the first place. I'm not trying to bash on anyone for their level of understanding of ANYTHING, i just don't want to lose my basic bones tank tool. I wanna be able to keep tanking as gud as i do. If you wanna argue against this pls explain how i can do gud tanking w/o a cone bc i ain't seeing it. And I don't even see how the other tanks get by without it, so to me this has nothing to do with WAR job identity. All tanks should have this, be forced to learn how to use this, it's simply fundamental to tanking.

[marelooke]

Oh come on, it makes no difference if you hit the pack ahead of you, behind you, or around you as you're making the pull. You hit the pack, sprint to the next pack and hit that, then move to the side to group them up. If you hit the second pack head on with old Overpower, you now have a pack behind you and a pack ahead of you, you have to move regardless of what shape AoE you used.

It doesn't make a difference, except when it does. There's specific pulls where one or the other is just better. Obviously you can get by with the other, otherwise the three other tank jobs would be literally unplayable, but WAR had both.

Of course, based on comments on this change many people are allergic to actually learning something new. It's ironic that despite complaints of jobs being way too samey, and becoming increasingly more so many reject anything they actually do need to put even a minimal effort into learning, resulting in these things getting "streamlined" to the point everything is the same. It's not even like Overpower was that hard to use even without making use of its "advanced" features (using advanced very, very loosely here).

I wouldn't be bothered by people not "getting" Overpower's advantages as long as they wouldn't project their ignorance as shortcoming of the ability, which is, unfortunately what seems to have been happening and why we're now here.

When it comes to dungeons all the tanks are now pretty much identical, except that getting killed as a WAR takes some conscious effort, so guess there's no real point to any of the others anymore?

[Terhix]

It doesn't make a difference, except when it does. There's specific pulls where one or the other is just better. Obviously you can get by with the other, otherwise the three other tank jobs would be literally unplayable, but WAR had both.

Of course, based on comments on this change many people are allergic to actually learning something new. It's ironic that despite complaints of jobs being way too samey, and becoming increasingly more so many reject anything they actually do need to put even a minimal effort into learning, resulting in these things getting "streamlined" to the point everything is the same. It's not even like Overpower was that hard to use even without making use of its "advanced" features (using advanced very, very loosely here).

I wouldn't be bothered by people not "getting" Overpower's advantages as long as they wouldn't project their ignorance as shortcoming of the ability, which is, unfortunately what seems to have been happening and why we're now here.

Yeah, I think that's a fair description. I don't know what prompted SE to change it exactly, whether it was actual new player complaints of the aforementioned trust AI issues, but here we are indeed. The actual pros and cons of one vs the other are quite minute, while the levels of hyperbole in this thread are really quite something.

[Faafetai]

It was honestly more like this, but instead of making the indication easier for people they just got ride of it entirely. Highly doubt this will change much for little Timmy whose rotation was shield lob-->total eclipse--> fast blade, but who am I to judge.

[Kallis]

Just a bit off, the cone centered where it is here would only reach 8/10y across, 10 being the diameter of the circle. The point is that AoE ideally should be moving to properly reposition a chaotic pack of mobs, and face them AWAY from the party, same as with a boss fight no? So if you tried that and your next GCD is a 5y circle, you're hitting half the pack or less, while your aoe range is also seeing over half unused space. Completely nonsensical for any tank to not have a cone to use there.

No reason for this even to be a WAR thing, this to me is a fundamental tank tool. You may as well make PLD the "shirk" tank and take it away from the other three, it would make literally as much sense as far as I can tell.

[Chopstix]

U know, id understand ur complaints if all the aoes warrior had were cone shaped. Well they r not.

Being able to hit stuff from further away for pulls is irrelevant, u r the one doing the pull. Run into the mobs do one circle aoe and keep sprinting to the next pack. There is literally no way for u to hit everything with old conal overpower when pulling since the mobs r spread out and it needs a target, therefore u need at the very least 2 GCDs to hit everything. TIME LOSS.

Id much rather that if im not tanking the warrior just stays put and deals more dmg w/o having to move. It was not a braincell issue, it was a bloody annoying that u had to do that issue. Thank god it is gone for good. Ull come around eventually, circle is the way, it is known.