Keep overpower cone shaped!

[fafrir]

I just like to point out, prior to overpower change, that WAR had access to circle aoes via Decimate, Chaotic Cyclone, Orogeny, and Primal Rend. I didn't include Mythril Tempest because if they changed that into a cone to match overpower, WAR would still have access to four circle aoes. Currently, WAR now has six circle aoes while DRK has access to four types of circle aoes. Target (Abyssal Drain), circle (aoe combo), line aoe (shadows), ground aoe (salted).

Imo they need to change overpower back to cone and also change mythril tempest to a cone to match it or change it to a half circle aoe like how RPR has if ppl are complaining about missing enemies on the side (which imo was never really an issue). The point is WAR already has access to other circle aoes on demand and reducing it's variety just shows how this homogenization coddling is not benefitting the players who play the job.

Hard agree with this. While I will miss spinning the axe, I feel the cone for Mythril will be better just for positioning and consistency too. And also can still keep the circles, which Warrior will still have. Or at the very least, have a way to switch them to tailor to others needs, not fully remove the cone for others who enjoy it.

If Overpower cone was an issue, I do not know why others (who do not play this job) cannot either just level it to get it over with (which I've done for many jobs) or just not play Warrior at all. It's been over 6 months since this changed and I still cannot grasp how to position with only circles and in my experience with running Mentor, I feel I'm just a bad tank. tbh, I'm only getting enjoyment from other things and not stuff like dungeons anymore.

[Shurrikhan]

Hard agree with this. While I will miss spinning the axe, I feel the cone for Mythril will be better just for positioning and consistency too.

I think there was an NPC that had a decent midpoint between the two in its animation. Swiped, turned/spun, and then swiped again much more mightily. Could work as a cone while still having some of that powerful/stormy visual theme.

Could be a false memory, though; can't for the life of me remember which quest it was from.

[Lustre]

Square enix straight up discriminating against cones, unless you're a reaper that is...

#allconesmatter

[dspguy]

I didn't like the change when it first came out. The cone naturally helped "funnel" the enemies into a tight little spot so all the AOEs volleyed at the trash would hit every last one. Now I sort of have to do this dance on the wall-to-wall pulls where I run to the wall, spam AOE until the mobs have gathered close, then run back through them and then they wind up being pretty tight - then stand in the center and spam.

I've learned to live with it. It is what it is.

[Dogempire]

I didn't like the change when it first came out. The cone naturally helped "funnel" the enemies into a tight little spot so all the AOEs volleyed at the trash would hit every last one. Now I sort of have to do this dance on the wall-to-wall pulls where I run to the wall, spam AOE until the mobs have gathered close, then run back through them and then they wind up being pretty tight - then stand in the center and spam.

I've learned to live with it. It is what it is.

It definitely threw me off whenever it first came out, it was a bit unconventional but I liked how the cone had more reach in exchange for not being 360, meaning you could hit every mob if you simply positioned smartly and kept track of how the mobs are going to move.

I think it's easier for new players now, but ultimately I kind of miss the little dance of moving into the group and out for the AoE combo

[sergel02]

I always hated the cones so I’m happier with the change. Wouldn’t say no to a bit more variety like DRK has though.

[Mikey_R]

I always hated the cones so I’m happier with the change. Wouldn’t say no to a bit more variety like DRK has though.

...You do realise you contradicted yourself right? You want more AoE variety, but that is exactly what Overpower was, a different shape AoE, unique for the tanks infact, like the line AoE is unique to DRK.

[marelooke]

More healing, more streamlining, more cookie-cutter dungeon bosses. Still no cone.

*sigh*

I mean, needing bots due to a lack of tanks during roulettes becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as they're really trying to sap every little bit of enjoyment out of running dungeons, especially older ones.

[Renathras]

As a person who generally plays casually:

I never had any issue with Overpower.

My issue with WAR's AOE damage combo was more that Mythril Tempest was NOT a cone. While some loved dodging and weaving in and out of the enemy pack to go back and forth between circle and cone, I found that more annoying. I'd rather they have changed Tempest and Decimate into cones. That way, WAR would keep its more unique gameplay.

Not to mention generating threat is such a joke now, you could hit an enemy with the initial Overpower and even if it DID move outside of the cone of subsequent attacks (pushed outside by large mobs in the center), you wouldn't lose threat for half an hour anyway. And tank self-healing generates agro, too, so it's not like WAR would lose the mobs most of the time anyway.

And speaking personally, I prefer cones because (range aside) enemies usually kind of fan out in front of me rather than completely encircle me. Part of this is the way I move (from playing tanks years ago in other MMOs where you wanted to keep them in your front cone becasue if you did not, you couldn't parry/block attacks from behind you), but it's also the enemy AI. Just making them all cones would have been the best solution, imo.

[Shurrikhan]

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I actually like there being both cones and circles, though I agree regarding Mythril Tempest.

Change Mythril Tempest into a cone (there's even an NPC animation that could be blended appropriately for that purpose), and then let Steel Cyclone and Decimate uniquely have a slightly larger radius (enough that no typical pack could have small mobs at edge kept out of range by larger mobs nearer the Warrior).

Warrior is supposed to be the battlefield behemoth job, after all, so they alone would deserve any uniquely large radial AoE.