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  1. #1
    Player
    Marxam's Avatar
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    Blackiron Tarkus
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    Leviathan
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Don't worry, this is just the new era. Tanks get radial AoEs and are no longer encouraged to keep enemies in front of them, instead spreading them by standing right at their center, as a soft nerf to Caster AoE and Shadowbite. You were clearly doing too well in dungeons before.
    Shadowbringer, Edge and flood of shadow now radial aoes. Please look forward to it.
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    Tetsujin's Avatar
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    Thymos Helmsplitter
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    Ultros
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    Monk Lv 90
    SAM main here. I see you guys have been hit by the same cancer of unnecessarily simplifying things and homogenizing similar abilities. AoE in this case. I feel your pain, our finisher got turned into this pitiful circle with crappy damage and a horrible nonsensical animation.

    Anyhow, it's sad. One would think that if cones had to go extinct except for a few classes, they'd stay on tank. You know, the people who want monsters looking at them from the front and not AROUND them so they can parry and block and all that good stuff. What has the class design team been doing lately?
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tetsujin View Post
    SAM main here. I see you guys have been hit by the same cancer of unnecessarily simplifying things and homogenizing similar abilities. AoE in this case. I feel your pain, our finisher got turned into this pitiful circle with crappy damage and a horrible nonsensical animation.

    Anyhow, it's sad. One would think that if cones had to go extinct except for a few classes, they'd stay on tank. You know, the people who want monsters looking at them from the front and not AROUND them so they can parry and block and all that good stuff. What has the class design team been doing lately?
    Welcome to the life of a healer
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    Tetsujin's Avatar
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    Thymos Helmsplitter
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    Ultros
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Welcome to the life of a healer
    Yeah, I don't know how you guys haven't caused a %$## storm. 1 single target damage skill, 1 aoe, one DoT "design" is hotdog water levels of amazing. WHM is like playing a level 4 BLM but with heals sprinkled.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetsujin View Post
    Yeah, I don't know how you guys haven't caused a %$## storm. 1 single target damage skill, 1 aoe, one DoT "design" is hotdog water levels of amazing. WHM is like playing a level 4 BLM but with heals sprinkled.
    Well to be fair we did, yoshi p told us to go play ultimate, gotta love being a healer
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    Mike Aettir
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    Cerberus
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tetsujin View Post
    You know, the people who want monsters looking at them from the front and not AROUND them so they can parry and block and all that good stuff.
    Just to curb this, you can block/parry from any direction.
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    Just to curb this, you can block/parry from any direction.
    Yeah, this hasn't been a thing since either late Heavensward or Stormblood, can't quite remember.

    In Stormblood the only block/parry that wasn't omnidirectional was Raw Intuition because it specifically made every attack you took from the back or flank a critical hit.

    Keeping enemies bunched up in front of you is however still just good tanking practice, even if it has no effect on mitigation anymore.
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    Thymos Helmsplitter
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    Ultros
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    Just to curb this, you can block/parry from any direction.
    News to me. Ironic, since I've played DRK quite a lot for good or ill since release. Either way, you'd want them facing you regardless like Absurdity said. Guess that's why I never noticed.
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    Lomea I'ramaloce
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    Cerberus
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Don't think I've seen any WAR changes are mentioned for 6.2 so far. Kinda doubt they'd roll this back since making everything the same seem to be the design goal for tanks and healers, but one can hope...
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    Kallis Cursmali
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    In that case can we make all tanks the same by giving them an actual tanking tool, the cone AoE on opener. Cone-->circle AoE's is just proper tanking; if they wanted homogenization this would have been the only thing to make sense.

    Either that or my suggestion to just give us BOTH AoE openers, two separate actions. The casual tanks can leave the cone off their hotbars, while those of us who understand proper tanking and actually WANT to take the time to position mobs properly for the rest of our team, we can leave the circle off our hotbar. Simple easy painless fix and everybody wins. Why not?
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