Keep overpower cone shaped!

[Covfefe]

I do miss the old overpower a lot.
The coverage was a lot more fun, and it was one of the things I enjoyed bout Warrior.
I would have preferred mythril tempest being the reworked animation/coverage instead.

Gameplay aside, this new animation is really really bad.

Screen grab from the current overpower.

[Chopstix]

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unfortunately u r on a reaper

the reaper cone is by no means the same as what overpower was b4

the visuals indicate that the reaper cone is a half circle aoe (or a 180 degree cone for better comparison)

the warrior cone was (educated guess here) 90 depgrees or so? i know it would not be hitting that dummy on the side

[Mikey_R]

unfortunately u r on a reaper

the reaper cone is by no means the same as what overpower was b4

the visuals indicate that the reaper cone is a half circle aoe (or a 180 degree cone for better comparison)

the warrior cone was (educated guess here) 90 depgrees or so? i know it would not be hitting that dummy on the side

How did I know this was going to come up, unfortunately for you however, I'm not that ignorant, I checked the area of both attacks before I started. Courtesy of the magic of the Wayback Machine, I can screenshot the old Overpower and the area it used to have:

https://imgur.com/C5bvyUB

Which is exactly the same as Grim Swathe, and all other Reaper cones, which also all hit.

Even if Overpower didn't hit that far around, it was not that far off, still encompassing most of the area I showed.

[fulminating]

the warrior cone was (educated guess here) 90 depgrees or so? i know it would not be hitting that dummy on the side

afaik it was identical to bad breath, so in the region of 120 degrees

[Kallis]

Hear hear. Look at this guy having the right of it and getting lambasted by all these ppl who "know how to tank."

If you're wondering WHY you're wrong, it's because what you're describing isn't tanking, but DPSing. This is the mindset of a DPS who picked up a tank job and didn't understand their role is now slightly more complicated than "do max damage with biggest attack all the time." So, I suggest you please read thru this forums and catch yourself up on the discussion so far, you will see the explanations for how the cone was good for TANKING , not for DPS.

[Chopstix]

How did I know this was going to come up, unfortunately for you however, I'm not that ignorant, I checked the area of both attacks before I started. Courtesy of the magic of the Wayback Machine, I can screenshot the old Overpower and the area it used to have:

https://imgur.com/C5bvyUB

Which is exactly the same as Grim Swathe, and all other Reaper cones, which also all hit.

Even if Overpower didn't hit that far around, it was not that far off, still encompassing most of the area I showed.

absolutely not, i remember having to be fairly far out in UWU ifrit to be able to hit both close nails as well while targeting the boss, im sure xeno has some footage of doing it himself somewhere

If you're wondering WHY you're wrong, it's because what you're describing isn't tanking, but DPSing. This is the mindset of a DPS who picked up a tank job and didn't understand their role is now slightly more complicated than "do max damage with biggest attack all the time." So, I suggest you please read thru this forums and catch yourself up on the discussion so far, you will see the explanations for how the cone was good for TANKING , not for DPS.

every role is a DPS with a different shade of red, i dunno about u but i can tell the difference w/o act when the healer is contributing next to nothing, or when a DPS is not aoing at all (sometimes even neither of them!) and it is very annoying

stop glorifying urself that tanking is slightly more complicated, the only addition to ur responsibility is to stack everything up nicely (and mitigate) so that everyone (as well as u) can hit everything and do max dmg

[Mikey_R]

absolutely not, i remember having to be fairly far out in UWU ifrit to be able to hit both close nails as well while targeting the boss, im sure xeno has some footage of doing it himself somewhere

At this point, I'm going to hold my hands up and say, I goofed. I made the initial assumption that cone AoEs that showed the same radius would all be the same and my late night brain/early morning brain wasn't thinking straight (but that is just an excuse). You can easily tell something isn't right when look at, say Scattergun or Ladonsbite, both are range/radius 12y, but there is no way it is as wide as Reapers cone AoEs. Another thing that tipped me off was line AoEs, there is no way Flood of Shadow/Shadowbringers has a radius of 10y, at least, not in the way you would expect (in my head, it would imply width), let's not even mention Chain Saw/Resolution and their 25y.

However, I believe this does bring up a flaw in the tooltips, in that, it is not clear how big a cone or line AoE is.

Now, the system as it is works fine for circular AoEs, Range 0 Radius 5, you are the centre, radius 5 from the middle, Range 20 Radius 5, As long as your target is upto 20 away, you can use it, and it has a radius of 5 AoE from that target. Range 3 Radius 0, those are you single target actions. Easy.

Going onto cones, using MCH Scattergun, Range 12 Radius 12. That doesn't tell me anything. I know the enemy has to be within 12 to use it, but what of the size of the cone? If I can hit anything within 12y, I don't need to know that the radius is also 12y, it is telling you the same info. It should be changed, in my opinion, to show how wide the cone is, say 120 degrees, or, in the case of reaper, closer to 180. So it would look more like, Range 12 Width 120 (no idea if that is accurate for Scattergun btw). And it would be the same with line AoEs, they do the same thing as cones, but I don't need 2 things to tell me how far it can go, tell me the furthest distance I can use it and either the full width or half the width (personally I would say full width), so, rather than Radius, it said Width instead.

[fulminating]

absolutely not, i remember having to be fairly far out in UWU ifrit to be able to hit both close nails as well while targeting the boss, im sure xeno has some footage of doing it himself somewhere

You're bringing in irrelevant content to the conversation, a specific part of uwu being something that is neither a dungeon nor anything other than niche. And since I'm curious, why not just play gunbreaker? It has aoes in shapes you like, more complexity and more damage.

[marelooke]

To quote from earlier in the thread:

The cone was roughly 150 degrees. It had an 8-yalm radius. (150/360)8²π = 83.8 sq yalms.

Overpower had the range where it mattered.

[AffGnome]

lose cone, keep flood of darkness line