Keep overpower cone shaped!

[Mikey_R]

No, u r woefully incorrect in practice. Good bit of the cone goes to waste, particularly the edges at the back, BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING THERE (there goes ur 7% totally wasted, omegalul). Also the cone was rather narrow and there is a good chance of u missing stuff that is directly to ur side (which is going to happen). If u stand in the middle u have a reach of 5 yalms in EVERY direction (that is 10 yalms across). With a cone u only have a reach of 8 in the general forward direction.

I hear this alot and I am sure so many people underestimate the size of the cone, so, I done some testing.

https://imgur.com/oGo41b2
This shows the size of the cone using striking dummies. I was in the corner of the wall in the bottom right, I was aiming at the dummy at the top, which is at max range fyi. The left most dummy shows max range in that direction, the one slight in is just there for something to hit (like line AoEs, cones suffer from the fact that, if you hit at max range on a dummy, it will not register, this is an issue only on dummies though).

So, attacking the top dummy, do you expect the dummy in the gateway to get hit? Of course you don't, however, it does. Pretty sure that is alot wider than you thought right?

Going onto the next image:
https://imgur.com/p4v6eoQ
The top and left most dummies are in the same spot as the top and leftmost ones in the cone picture, that third dummy however shows you the range on a player centric AoE of 5y. Quite a big difference.

This last picture is just a reference, and shows how much of a difference the discrepancy is between the max range cone and the max range it registers a hit.
https://imgur.com/iXB6qr0

All the pics were taken from top down at max zoom, so in theory they are all the same scale, I would add an AoE to better indicate the range, however, I'm not that good at image manipulation, even if it is just slapping a shape onto it.

(For some reason it didn't imbed the images, so, unfortunately, you are going to have to click the links).

Bonus:
Because I'm pretty sure people will say the first image is fake, I pulled out my super secret video skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdI30BcrSo

As always the dummies furthest away show the max cone range, there is a dummy in the gateway (probably not in the same place as the pic) to show that that is indeed in the path. Video starts with me tucking myself away in the corner, which I how I made sure I was always in the same spot. I showed the far dummies are in range of Grim Swathe (the soul cost is white, not red), I Harpe so that I know I am facing the dummy at the back dead on and, without moving, use Grim Swathe, which yes, does have the same range as old Overpower. The dummy in the gateway gets hit, clear as day. That cone is definitely bigger than you thought it was going to be.

[Covfefe]

I do miss the old overpower a lot.
The coverage was a lot more fun, and it was one of the things I enjoyed bout Warrior.
I would have preferred mythril tempest being the reworked animation/coverage instead.

Gameplay aside, this new animation is really really bad.

Screen grab from the current overpower.

[Chopstix]

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unfortunately u r on a reaper

the reaper cone is by no means the same as what overpower was b4

the visuals indicate that the reaper cone is a half circle aoe (or a 180 degree cone for better comparison)

the warrior cone was (educated guess here) 90 depgrees or so? i know it would not be hitting that dummy on the side

[Mikey_R]

unfortunately u r on a reaper

the reaper cone is by no means the same as what overpower was b4

the visuals indicate that the reaper cone is a half circle aoe (or a 180 degree cone for better comparison)

the warrior cone was (educated guess here) 90 depgrees or so? i know it would not be hitting that dummy on the side

How did I know this was going to come up, unfortunately for you however, I'm not that ignorant, I checked the area of both attacks before I started. Courtesy of the magic of the Wayback Machine, I can screenshot the old Overpower and the area it used to have:

https://imgur.com/C5bvyUB

Which is exactly the same as Grim Swathe, and all other Reaper cones, which also all hit.

Even if Overpower didn't hit that far around, it was not that far off, still encompassing most of the area I showed.

[Chopstix]

How did I know this was going to come up, unfortunately for you however, I'm not that ignorant, I checked the area of both attacks before I started. Courtesy of the magic of the Wayback Machine, I can screenshot the old Overpower and the area it used to have:

https://imgur.com/C5bvyUB

Which is exactly the same as Grim Swathe, and all other Reaper cones, which also all hit.

Even if Overpower didn't hit that far around, it was not that far off, still encompassing most of the area I showed.

absolutely not, i remember having to be fairly far out in UWU ifrit to be able to hit both close nails as well while targeting the boss, im sure xeno has some footage of doing it himself somewhere

If you're wondering WHY you're wrong, it's because what you're describing isn't tanking, but DPSing. This is the mindset of a DPS who picked up a tank job and didn't understand their role is now slightly more complicated than "do max damage with biggest attack all the time." So, I suggest you please read thru this forums and catch yourself up on the discussion so far, you will see the explanations for how the cone was good for TANKING , not for DPS.

every role is a DPS with a different shade of red, i dunno about u but i can tell the difference w/o act when the healer is contributing next to nothing, or when a DPS is not aoing at all (sometimes even neither of them!) and it is very annoying

stop glorifying urself that tanking is slightly more complicated, the only addition to ur responsibility is to stack everything up nicely (and mitigate) so that everyone (as well as u) can hit everything and do max dmg

[Mikey_R]

absolutely not, i remember having to be fairly far out in UWU ifrit to be able to hit both close nails as well while targeting the boss, im sure xeno has some footage of doing it himself somewhere

At this point, I'm going to hold my hands up and say, I goofed. I made the initial assumption that cone AoEs that showed the same radius would all be the same and my late night brain/early morning brain wasn't thinking straight (but that is just an excuse). You can easily tell something isn't right when look at, say Scattergun or Ladonsbite, both are range/radius 12y, but there is no way it is as wide as Reapers cone AoEs. Another thing that tipped me off was line AoEs, there is no way Flood of Shadow/Shadowbringers has a radius of 10y, at least, not in the way you would expect (in my head, it would imply width), let's not even mention Chain Saw/Resolution and their 25y.

However, I believe this does bring up a flaw in the tooltips, in that, it is not clear how big a cone or line AoE is.

Now, the system as it is works fine for circular AoEs, Range 0 Radius 5, you are the centre, radius 5 from the middle, Range 20 Radius 5, As long as your target is upto 20 away, you can use it, and it has a radius of 5 AoE from that target. Range 3 Radius 0, those are you single target actions. Easy.

Going onto cones, using MCH Scattergun, Range 12 Radius 12. That doesn't tell me anything. I know the enemy has to be within 12 to use it, but what of the size of the cone? If I can hit anything within 12y, I don't need to know that the radius is also 12y, it is telling you the same info. It should be changed, in my opinion, to show how wide the cone is, say 120 degrees, or, in the case of reaper, closer to 180. So it would look more like, Range 12 Width 120 (no idea if that is accurate for Scattergun btw). And it would be the same with line AoEs, they do the same thing as cones, but I don't need 2 things to tell me how far it can go, tell me the furthest distance I can use it and either the full width or half the width (personally I would say full width), so, rather than Radius, it said Width instead.

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absolutely not, i remember having to be fairly far out in UWU ifrit to be able to hit both close nails as well while targeting the boss, im sure xeno has some footage of doing it himself somewhere

You're bringing in irrelevant content to the conversation, a specific part of uwu being something that is neither a dungeon nor anything other than niche. And since I'm curious, why not just play gunbreaker? It has aoes in shapes you like, more complexity and more damage.

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the warrior cone was (educated guess here) 90 depgrees or so? i know it would not be hitting that dummy on the side

afaik it was identical to bad breath, so in the region of 120 degrees