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    Kakuruma's Avatar
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    Kakuruma Dhrakariya
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    Louisoix
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    Warrior Lv 90

    Keep overpower cone shaped!

    Keep overpower as a cone!

    Please, please don't make it a circle it's 100% better in every single situation to have a cone.
    The people who complain probably don't understand how better it is at pulling mobs that circle AoEs

    It has longer range, you can't use it too early since you need a target for it and you will get every mob every time.

    That's it. Please keep overpower a cone so I don't cry myself to sleep thinking about ye olde days when overpower was a cone.
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    Kakuruma

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    Neihel Aberola
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    Ragnarok
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Yes, please this new change is so unneccessary and would only appeal to people that are new or don't play warrior which is silly since we already have 3 other tanks with a circular AOE
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    Dhaid Burt
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    Blacksmith Lv 90
    100%!! They're simplifying something they really don't need to!!
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    Elise Leikupo
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    Lamia
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Make it cone! Make it cone! Heck make the combo cone as well!
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    Wind-up Everyone
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    Anecdotally I haven't seen anyone pleased by or asking for this change, it just seems completely unwarranted
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    Thane Ryder
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    Anecdotally I haven't seen anyone pleased by or asking for this change, it just seems completely unwarranted
    Anecdotally Xeno just did a stream covering tank changes and explained why circle Overpower is just better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neihel View Post
    (...) only appeal to people that are new (...)
    You say that like that's a bad thing.

    1. Doing backwards Overpower pulls effectively requires non-default controls.
    2. Having to reposition every GCD when spamming Overpower into Mythril so you can hit everything is just clunky. If you need to reposition to group up mobs better, you can do that on every other tank with circle AoEs just fine.
    3. Circle has a larger total area.
    4. If you need to pick up stragglers, just use Voke or Tomahawk, though you'll likely have fewer stragglers to begin with because 3.

    This is absolutely a good quality of life change. Just because it wasn't that annoying, and you've learned to live with it, doesn't mean it was good. These threads are just a study on change aversion in humans. In two weeks none of you are going to care about this.
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    Hal Haru
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    Hyperion
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
    In two weeks none of you are going to care about this.
    Joke's on you, I still miss Brutal Swing!

    Really though. I personally would have liked WAR's Overpower to be a bigger cone, with a follow up that was also conical (if only for a bit of differentiation between the tanks), but I'll definitely agree that one of each type of AoE was a pain. I will begrudgingly settle for two circles in lieu of two cones.
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    I just lurk here.

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    Lomea I'ramaloce
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    Cerberus
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
    Anecdotally Xeno just did a stream covering tank changes and explained why circle Overpower is just better.



    You say that like that's a bad thing.

    1. Doing backwards Overpower pulls effectively requires non-default controls.
    2. Having to reposition every GCD when spamming Overpower into Mythril so you can hit everything is just clunky. If you need to reposition to group up mobs better, you can do that on every other tank with circle AoEs just fine.
    3. Circle has a larger total area.
    4. If you need to pick up stragglers, just use Voke or Tomahawk, though you'll likely have fewer stragglers to begin with because 3.

    This is absolutely a good quality of life change. Just because it wasn't that annoying, and you've learned to live with it, doesn't mean it was good. These threads are just a study on change aversion in humans. In two weeks none of you are going to care about this.
    Let's remove everything that adds flavour, differentiation between jobs, or requires even a modicum of thought/skill to use effectively. Learning to use Overpower effectively was fun because positioning packs at least took some thought, it also allowed WAR to do things that other tanks simply couldn't.

    As an aside, circles having a bigger total area barely matters since most of that area isn't used anyway unless you body-pull. Realistically you have less of an effective area now.

    I fully expect what someone on Reddit suggested to be the actual reason: Trusts are too dumb to use Overpower, so they dumbed it down for the AI. Seems bit suspect otherwise that they just now decided to "fix" it after it'd been fine for 9 years.
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    Mia Shino
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
    Anecdotally Xeno just did a stream covering tank changes and explained why circle Overpower is just better.
    Will have to watch that. Hate circle aoes when playing tank. Have lost count of number of times they drift behind or simply wiff and miss targets two micro millimeters in front of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
    1. Doing backwards Overpower pulls effectively requires non-default controls.
    Standard on controller, should be made standard on PC as Legacy is far superior in every single way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
    2. Having to reposition every GCD when spamming Overpower into Mythril so you can hit everything is just clunky. If you need to reposition to group up mobs better, you can do that on every other tank with circle AoEs just fine.
    Overpower cone was most wide and will hit targets to left and right of you. There is no reason to wiggle reposition into the center then back again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
    3. Circle has a larger total area.
    Yes. Around you. Which is fantastic if the mobs are already grouped up around you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
    4. If you need to pick up stragglers, just use Voke or Tomahawk, though you'll likely have fewer stragglers to begin with because 3.
    Nothing quite so riveting as flicking through targets that are behind you on controller that game refuses to target because they are now no longer within the camera. Or, or I could Overpower backwards onto the mob I already had targeted not only hitting the stray mobs but doing so with massive potency gain over Tomahawk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
    This is absolutely a good quality of life change. Just because it wasn't that annoying, and you've learned to live with it, doesn't mean it was good. These threads are just a study on change aversion in humans. In two weeks none of you are going to care about this.
    It was never annoying. Watched friend figure out backwards Overpower and other techniques her first time through Sastasha. Fricken Hall of the Novice teaches you how to aim Overpower. Good thing I still have Flood of Dankness, wonder when that will become another circle aoe so I cannot aim that one backwards either. Mmm, cannot wait!
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Nothing is more embarrassing than running up to a group of mobs, hitting your AOE and just ...not hitting any because you happened to not be close enough.
    Not only should Overpower remain a cone shape, but all the tanks should have something like this.

    It was a lot easier to use as it requires a target, whereas the circle AOEs can just be blasted at nothing.
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