Keep overpower cone shaped!

[ArataMPX]

The cone range has always been more than the circle, that information was always in Overpower's tooltip.

When I said the information was unconfirmed I was specifically talking about the future changes. I know the current range is 5-yalms (Pre-6.1). But how are we so certain the radius forward is being changed to be shorter? Are they taking the current radius and then turning it into the overall diameter of the circle?

[Absurdity]

When I said the information was unconfirmed I was specifically talking about the future changes. I know the current range is 5-yalms (Pre-6.1). But how are we so certain the radius forward is being changed to be shorter? Are they taking the current radius and then turning it into the overall diameter of the circle?

No, the current range on Overpower is actually 8 yalms, changing it to a circle will reduce the range to 5 yalms in diameter to keep it in line with other circle aoes and technically the range is 0 because it is cast from your character, thus making it shorter. Overpower has 2 different tooltips, one for the diameter of the cone at it's maximum and one for actual range.


Maybe this shoddy image will make it easier to explain.
Overpower before 6.1 is on the left and every other tank aoe, which now includes Overpower is on the right.

[Terhix]

Overpower before 6.1 is on the left and every other tank aoe, which now includes Overpower is on the right.

It's 5 yalms radius, not diameter. Surface for cone (if top edge is 8 yalms wide) is 32 square yalms (8 squared halved), surface for circle is ~78.5 square yalms.

Edit: yeah, top edge was 16 yalms (8 radius, not diameter), so cone was 64 square yalms.

[Tranquilmelody7]

I don't like this change at all.
If anything, Mythril Tempest should've been changed to a cone AOE as well.

[Absurdity]

You're right, it's 10 yalms diameter, 5 yalms radius. But while the circle does cover a bigger area it is still a range nerf in the only direction that really matters during pulls, in front of you.

[Terhix]

You're right, it's 10 yalms diameter, 5 yalms radius. But while the circle does cover a bigger area it is still a range nerf in the only direction that really matters during pulls, in front of you.

If you are pulling a pack ahead of you, sure. If you are pulling first pack in w2w with backwards overpower you do it, well, backwards, which means you have to run further before you grab agro than you'd with a circle. Once you've grouped the mobs the range doesn't really help you, since you have other AoEs that are 5 yalms range anyhow.

Actual ranges to scale:

[marelooke]

If you are pulling a pack ahead of you, sure. If you are pulling first pack in w2w with backwards overpower you do it, well, backwards, which means you have to run further before you grab agro than you'd with a circle. Once you've grouped the mobs the range doesn't really help you, since you have other AoEs that are 5 yalms range anyhow.

Or you just use Mythril Tempest, maybe? Having both is kinda nice because the cone is simply better, and when you mess up you can just compensate with Mythril Tempest.

If a tank can't grab aggro using *both* of these then I don't know anymore, just hang the axe on the wall, and take up fishing, I suppose.

Actual ranges to scale:

That image is just wrong, the cone sticks out well beyond the border of your circle since it's 8yalms long, while the circle is only 5.

[Terhix]

That image is just wrong, the cone sticks out well beyond the border of your circle since it's 8yalms long, while the circle is only 5.

Points of origin are obviously different. I've overlayed them since that makes the surface area easier to compare. And yes, circle is 10 yalms long (5 yalms radius), which is more than 8 yalms range on cone, where as cone is 16 yalms wide at max range (8 yalms radius).

Edit: Same picture, points of origin being same:



If there is any mob outside of purple, you had to move between Tempest and Overpower.

[marelooke]

Point of origins are obviously different. I've overlayed them since that makes the surface area easier to compare. And yes, circle is 10 yalms long (5 yalms radius), which is more than 8 yalms range on cone, where as cone is 16 yalms wide at max range (8 yalms radius).

I have no idea why you keep focusing on the total surface area when we've already established it doesn't practically matter because you shouldn't have mobs bunched all around you anyway as it makes life harder for quite a few other classes when mobs aren't properly positioned (DRG, notably).

Sure, once the pull is done the "extra" range of Overpower doesn't usually get you much (unless someone pulled a mob off of you during the pull and decides to stand just outside of your circle range, which ironically ime is quite a common place for healers/ranged to go stand, so...), but neither should the additional surface area the circle gets you.

In fact, the more I think about it the more I start feeling we should just change all the tank AoE rotation starters into cones. But given the direction things have been headed I think it's more likely all AoE is just turned into circles because heavens forbid any semblance of thought should be put towards positioning. Next on the chopping block of streamlineliness: Flood of Darkness and DRG AoE.

[Launched]

New Overpower looks cool, it doesn't need changed back.