Thread: White Mage's 6.1 changes fail to address a core issue I have with the job.

Also just to add....

People saying 'lilies will result to overhealing" when reality that isnt true, we want to be actively using them on legit every mechanic to obtain the delicious misery every 60sec

We may want to stop using medica 2 aswell to get more blood lily back aswell.....this entire change legit forces the WHM to prioritize lilies consumption over everything

So atm with these changes....cure 3, medica 2, cure, cure 2, medica 1.....shouldnt even be on your bars.....so start using those lilies baby to do petal nukes, even if medica 2 is stronger healing potency...u still want to use lilies to get towards the blood lily

Sooo morel of the story is

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD LILY!!!

Originally Posted by Yhisa

Also just to add....

People saying 'lilies will result to overhealing" when reality that isnt true, we want to be actively using them on legit every mechanic to obtain the delicious misery every 60sec

We may want to stop using medica 2 aswell to get more blood lily back aswell.....this entire change legit forces the WHM to prioritize lilies consumption over everything

So atm with these changes....cure 3, medica 2, cure, cure 2, medica 1.....shouldnt even be on your bars.....so start using those lilies baby to do petal nukes, even if medica 2 is stronger healing potency...u still want to use lilies to get towards the blood lily

Sooo morel of the story is

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD LILY!!!

The issue is that you're encouraged to burn lilies between pulls in dungeons or 24-man raids as well as in fights with downtime. The OP mentioned specifically Ultimate fights where there tend to be several instances of phase changes where nothing is targetable for damage. Therefore WHMs burn down their lilies and will continue to do so because it's a greater DPS gain than using them as healing tools. This is not something that completely invalidates the value of using them as heals when necessary, but the best WHMs will use their lilies sparingly to try and preserve them for when burning through them can be done in fights where that's possible. And in casual content like dungeon bosses, there's a genuine concern that you'll often be using them when people don't need healing because there's nothing to heal and you don't want to overcap.

As a Sage, I get free addersgall every 20 seconds, which will be the same for WHM's lilies, and I often spend more addersgall on overhealing with Druochole because there's nothing for me to heal than I spend on actually needed heals just to get that MP return. This even happens in Savage. There are several moments in especially P1S and P2S where I will use Druochole to avoid capping, and WHM players will experience the same thing.

The change we got is a huge step forward, and one that I don't think any of us want to revert, but that doesn't change the fact that there are still issues that need to be worked out.

Originally Posted by Yhisa

Also just to add....

People saying 'lilies will result to overhealing" when reality that isnt true, we want to be actively using them on legit every mechanic to obtain the delicious misery every 60sec

We may want to stop using medica 2 aswell to get more blood lily back aswell.....this entire change legit forces the WHM to prioritize lilies consumption over everything

So atm with these changes....cure 3, medica 2, cure, cure 2, medica 1.....shouldnt even be on your bars.....so start using those lilies baby to do petal nukes, even if medica 2 is stronger healing potency...u still want to use lilies to get towards the blood lily

Sooo morel of the story is

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD LILY!!!

At that point, why not put Misery on a 60 second cooldown, make lilies oGCD, and divorce Misery from the lily system entirely? It's functionally the same as blowing all of your lilies on cooldown for access to the refund nuke. That's one of my major beefs with the lily system as it's currently implemented: it certainly encourages something, but judicious ability usage ain't it.