Thread: White Mage's 6.1 changes fail to address a core issue I have with the job.

Originally Posted by StrongWilled

*not a WHM main*, but aren't lily heals still based upon GCD? I mean, i get they are instant cast, so generate some mobility, but I thought they were still on the GCD and thus granting that larger problem.

It seems like making lilies off-global and with 1/60 sec recast would be better here so the heals could be weaved. Similar to lustrate/indo or other heals with other classes. I guess i dont understand the need to have majority of WHM heals be GCD.

After the changes to Glare you are able to slidecast and weave while using glare so it's not as important to use Dia or Lilies for movement, you can just prepare in advance and slowly slide over while casting until you get there.
White Mage heals seem to be a majority GCD because that's the flavor of the job, it's heavily reliant on GCD but has higher potencies to compensate. Honestly, I wouldn't want them to be OGCD, it just feels nice the way it is.

To add to aproblem that was brought up, too:

Aero II is a better Dia now.

They made it 30 seconds, which is a godsend, but they are both 60 potency.
Dia just costs 200 mp more and does nothing else that Aero II doesn't...

So Dia is the only skill that is actually a direct downgrade now.

Originally Posted by Cheremia

To add to aproblem that was brought up, too:

Aero II is a better Dia now.

They made it 30 seconds, which is a godsend, but they are both 60 potency.
Dia just costs 200 mp more and does nothing else that Aero II doesn't...

So Dia is the only skill that is actually a direct downgrade now.

I'm still hoping this was a mis-print on the job guides. Because that is terrible if not.

Originally Posted by Cheremia

To add to aproblem that was brought up, too:

Aero II is a better Dia now.

They made it 30 seconds, which is a godsend, but they are both 60 potency.
Dia just costs 200 mp more and does nothing else that Aero II doesn't...

So Dia is the only skill that is actually a direct downgrade now.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

White Mage heals seem to be a majority GCD because that's the flavor of the job, it's heavily reliant on GCD but has higher potencies to compensate. Honestly, I wouldn't want them to be OGCD, it just feels nice the way it is.

They're not stronger to compensate; the other three healers can fluidly cast damage and healing spells at the same time, while WHM has to halt dealing damage to heal, and sooner than they do, for spells that are the same potency and cost more MP.

Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

After the changes to Glare you are able to slidecast and weave while using glare so it's not as important to use Dia or Lilies for movement, you can just prepare in advance and slowly slide over while casting until you get there.
White Mage heals seem to be a majority GCD because that's the flavor of the job, it's heavily reliant on GCD but has higher potencies to compensate. Honestly, I wouldn't want them to be OGCD, it just feels nice the way it is.

How does Whm have higher gcd potencies? Cure 1 and Benefic 1 are the same THis also goes for cure 2 and benefic 2, medica and helios, aspected benefic and regen, aspecte helios and medica 2. The only gcd whm has over astro is cure 3 and even then the mp of cure 3 makes consistently casting a hassle. Also whm mp costs are more than astros. Cure 2 is 1000 mp while benefic 2 is 700, medica is 900 while helios 700, regen and aspected benefic with patch 6.1 now equal each other and with aspected helios is 800 while medica 2 is 1000.

AS far as I can see, that's not the case. Hell, it stopped being the case back in 3.07 when they buffed up all of astro's healing potencies to be on par with whm.

Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

After the changes to Glare you are able to slidecast and weave while using glare so it's not as important to use Dia or Lilies for movement, you can just prepare in advance and slowly slide over while casting until you get there.
White Mage heals seem to be a majority GCD because that's the flavor of the job, it's heavily reliant on GCD but has higher potencies to compensate. Honestly, I wouldn't want them to be OGCD, it just feels nice the way it is.

Not to sound too rude, but man...

Sometimes it really shows that people dont look at potencies and just trust people that say that whm has "the big gcd heals", when in reality, what it has is the big MP-Waste gcd heals.
Please people, LOOK at other healer tooltips, jobguides are there to look at. Whm does nothing better than any other healer and everything costs them a kidney for the same potency as others.

Whm needs help, it may be a bit better than before with 20 second lillies that are worth using, but WHY do ast and whm have the same potencies and whm has everything in more expensive anyways.

Please don't trust anybody saying that whm is big healer, they are not.

Originally Posted by Cheremia

Not to sound too rude, but man...

Sometimes it really shows that people dont look at potencies and just trust people that say that whm has "the big gcd heals", when in reality, what it has is the big MP-Waste gcd heals.
Please people, LOOK at other healer tooltips, jobguides are there to look at. Whm does nothing better than any other healer and everything costs them a kidney for the same potency as others.

Whm needs help, it may be a bit better than before with 20 second lillies that are worth using, but WHY do ast and whm have the same potencies and whm has everything in more expensive anyways.

Please don't trust anybody saying that whm is big healer, they are not.

Yeah lets compare WHM's Afflatus Solace to Lustrate, 200 potency higher on WHM's end and you only get Excog once every 2 Solace casts. The same applies to SGE but in blue and their excog equivalent isn't even 800 potency.
Okay now Afflatus Rupture. Hooray Indom is the same potency... on a longer cooldown... and without Plenary to boost it by 200 potency... oh...

That's not to mention that GCD heals have the benefit of being buffed by every healing buff and not only those which explicitly state to boost all of them. If you're running WHM/SCH the healing power gets pushed in WHM's favor even further due to fey illumination only really benefiting WHM and SCH's Fairy. You're probably gonna have more luck comparing WHMs to ASTs but at that point it's not really a crime to be placed 2nd.