Thread: White Mage's 6.1 changes fail to address a core issue I have with the job.

*not a WHM main*, but aren't lily heals still based upon GCD? I mean, i get they are instant cast, so generate some mobility, but I thought they were still on the GCD and thus granting that larger problem.

It seems like making lilies off-global and with 1/60 sec recast would be better here so the heals could be weaved. Similar to lustrate/indo or other heals with other classes. I guess i dont understand the need to have majority of WHM heals be GCD.

I like them on the GCD.

But obviously I am in the minority on these forums.

That said, lilies should be stronger than the emergency GCD spells of WHM, and yes, this is still a problem.

As far as generation goes, I don't think the math is that simple. It really depends on the timings of things, since a capped lily is healing potency left on the table, and if you are forcing succors while capping your lilies during uptime, I think there is something wrong with you. If Ultimate truly has less than 60secs of action at a time, I may actually stop looking into running ultimate; that sounds less fun than savage.

Blowing everything during downtime will still happen, though. Please buff lily heals.

No reason to turn lilies into oGCD now that Misery was buffed. They work fine as GCDs and they feel different. WHM's problems (and healer problems in general) lie elsewhere.

To "fix" this particular problem, my kneejerk reaction would be to offload part of misery damage onto an oGCD or buffed Glare replacement that you can only hold one stack of which you gain after you use a lily heal.

Then, burning more than one during downtime is a damage loss.

Originally Posted by Irenia

To "fix" this particular problem, my kneejerk reaction would be to offload part of misery damage onto an oGCD or buffed Glare replacement that you can only hold one stack of which you gain after you use a lily heal.

Then, burning more than one during downtime is a damage loss.

Make Banish an oGCD that procs after a Lily Heal is used that has a potency in the ballpark of 100-150. Since Lilies are instant cast GCD heals and we have very few oGCDs to weave in the 1st place, there's often times when you have nothing to weave after casting a Lily skill so this would resolve both that problem as well as making Misery DPS neutral.

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

They are on GCD.

We don't get why either.

Because every healer needs to be identical right?
God forbid we have 1 healer out of 4 actually focusing on GCD healing and rewarding you for it.

Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya

Because every healer needs to be identical right?
God forbid we have 1 healer out of 4 actually focusing on GCD healing and rewarding you for it.

You're gonna have to explain how WHMs are being rewarded for GCD healing. DPS neutrality isn't a reward when other classes aren't punished for their healing throughput in the first place.

The change was sorely needed and I'm glad it's finally happened, but let's not put lipstick on a pig.

Originally Posted by IttyBitty

You're gonna have to explain how WHMs are being rewarded for GCD healing. DPS neutrality isn't a reward when other classes aren't punished for their healing throughput in the first place.

The change was sorely needed and I'm glad it's finally happened, but let's not put lipstick on a pig.

Misery is DPS neutral on paper but because it lines up with 60s burst windows it's actually a DPS positive.