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    Selvokaz's Avatar
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    Reiya Rahamos
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    Ultros
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    you guys are setting yourselves up for the worst letdown. The 6 Step combo is unique but in a bad way (Don't forget Draconic Fire). I just did a macro chotbar work around and it still feels bad because of how Fang and Wheeling work, one hopping into the other. I'm telling you, they're going to make it Fang OR Wheeling, into Draconic Fire. I don't even know why any Dragoon would want it to stay that long of a combo since you barely have anything to weave in between GCD's as is. A buff here, maybe a jump if it's ready.
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    Aco505's Avatar
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    Aco Nale
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Selvokaz View Post
    you guys are setting yourselves up for the worst letdown. The 6 Step combo is unique but in a bad way (Don't forget Draconic Fire). I just did a macro chotbar work around and it still feels bad because of how Fang and Wheeling work, one hopping into the other. I'm telling you, they're going to make it Fang OR Wheeling, into Draconic Fire. I don't even know why any Dragoon would want it to stay that long of a combo since you barely have anything to weave in between GCD's as is. A buff here, maybe a jump if it's ready.
    Barely anything to weave in between? They want to adjust it precisely because they find it "too busy". Even burst windows have a hectic amount of weaving (which is great by the way).

    The job doesn't feel boring at all due to the positional dancing and having HJ/GSK every 30s and WWT every 25s between burst windows.
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    BytorValefor's Avatar
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    Raienryu Valefor
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 90
    since you barely have anything to weave in between GCD's as is.
    How to spot a non-Dragoon player 101.

    It's top 2 busiest classes in the game.

    Anyway, I don't begrudge the pet idea except not for normal gameplay. I think they should just expand the companion system and some jobs get unique companions. Dragoon can get one, and it can stick outside the natural party balance and instanced zones. I think it'd be interesting and fun there.

    Fantasies aside, this worries me. I like how busy my class is. And I'm worried they'll hurt the flavor.

    That said, my common complaint is the lack of defensive or unique feeling DRG has. Most classes have some oGCD so Jumps don't feel special. It's a damage weave button like anyone elses (basically). So I kind of would like a non-damaging jump that just sends us in the air to avoid damage. Non-damaging because if it did damage we'd be forced to waste it to increase dps. Dragonfire to go back to a ground target (especially if we can set it to GT if we have no target selected and to fire automatically if we do).

    Keep Life Surge.
    They could add Lancet, a couple DRGs in the series have it.
    If they wanna idiot-proof, make Elusive not take us off ledges or in to death walls.
    They can turn Dragon Sight in to 60 seconds, keep the ally buff and add Lance Charge's buff in to the personal buff to reduce button bloat and maintain same personal dps numbers. Raidwide technically goes up. Could always adjust if needed.

    I'm not sure about positionals. A lot of the time it really is a hassle and can be a pain, but I'm also remiss to just dumb down my favorite job. I laugh when tanks tell me "True North" with no elaboration like I don't have enough weaving as it is. If I have to TN every time they don't want to adjust the boss properly I will lose positions to 0 TN charges, truthfully, because some bosses (like P3S) demand you use them when their positionals are not available.
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by BytorValefor View Post
    How to spot a non-Dragoon player 101.

    It's top 2 busiest classes in the game.
    How "busy" a class appears won't be based only on their apm.

    The timing and contexts/considerations of those actions also matters, including mandatory movement a la positionals (see pre-Endwalker Monk).
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    Kolsykol's Avatar
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    Aelona Chillwind
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by BytorValefor View Post
    How to spot a non-Dragoon player 101.

    It's top 2 busiest classes in the game.
    As Shurrikhan said, there's a bit more context here than just APM altho not sure if that was what you meant exactly.
    DRG exhausts their ogcd's much faster than MNK does when Brotherhood is up for example ( not to mention the more reactive gameplay with Chakras and crit ).

    MNK's even burst windows definitely feels faster and more busy to me and I'd perhaps even say NIN even burst windows too or even GNB altho not a DPS.
    MCH gets pretty crazy too.
    With MNK it also escalates based on your crit and RNG, DRG is very predictable and methodical.

    While yes DRG is ogcd heavy and has a window where a lot of it happens, it's exhausted relatively quickly and then that's it.
    At least as someone who plays all melee and GNB very actively, DRG doesn't strike me as particularly busy.
    I'd probably put it around the middle honestly.
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