Machinist class is dead

[ForteNightshade]

What we have is FFlogs, and yes that is not 100% reliable but it is all we have. What's your source then? Where are you getting info that MCH loses to BRD and DNC? Im curious.

We do. And you're reading them incorrectly. I even outlined to you why Machinist is nowhere near Bard and Dancer yet you've seemingly ignored it. Simply glancing at the rDPS or aDPS tab does not properly illustrate overall output. While still helpful, you have to consider their contribution under raid buffs. This is where Machinist gets hopelessly outclassed. To repeat myself from earlier.

]For specifics, allow me to highlight these three logs from top ranked Prange players to better illustrate the point.

Dancer gave 1,930 DPS while taking 436 for a net gain of 1,494 DPS
Bard gave 1,806 DPS while taking 573 for a net gain of 1,233 DPS
Machinist gave 0 DPS while taking 447 for a net gain of 447 DPS

As you can see, Dancer and Bard give an astronomical amount more overall DPS to the party due to buffing other jobs. Samurai, Black Mage and Dark Knight are benefit immensely from both jobs. Contrast that with Machinist that brings nothing and offers nothing. It's objectively weaker in every facet, hence why it's been entirely nonexistent in the speed meta this entire tier. Even a month in no one played it at that level. Not even 1%. Literally no one. White Mage, Paladin and Warrior all had more of a presence despite them being anti-speed. That's how bad Machinist is right now. This "buff" doesn't even nudge the needle.

[Cyd3l]

We do. And you're reading them incorrectly. I even outlined to you why Machinist is nowhere near Bard and Dancer yet you've seemingly ignored it. Simply glancing at the rDPS or aDPS tab does not properly illustrate overall output. While still helpful, you have to consider their contribution under raid buffs. This is where Machinist gets hopelessly outclassed. To repeat myself from earlier.

That's because MCH isn't a buff class? Sure DNC gave 1.494k to MCHs 447 but how much more personal DPS did MCH contribute over Dancer? If DNC only does 5.8k DPS but gains 1.4k DPS thru their buffs for a total of 7.2k dmg, and MCH does 7.2k DPS but gains nothing from buffs, then they both contribute the same. My previous post shows the results of DPS gained thru buffs and MCH contributes more except when played with a group at the highest levels and then the gap between all 3 phys-ranged dps is within 2% of each other.