Machinist class is dead

[RylaBee]

This problem is starting to be true not just for MCH, but also for RDM and SMN, who are for no good reason trailing way too far behind melee jobs and BLM.

The rotations on melee and BLM seen so many simplifications, that these classes realy are NOT any harder to play/optimize than the rest. The problem with uptime for melee at SOME encounters still exists, but it is quite marginal and certainly not worth the size of DPS difference.

Basically, this expansion started with overpowered RPR and somewhat overtunned BRD, which was followed by panic-buffing (or overbuffing) of all the melee classes and BLM, leaving everything else in dust.
Not saying you cannot play some job in savage with good party, but the discrepancy is showing more and more.

[CKNovel]

RDM and SMN still brings their own unique weight in the balance.

Additional mitigation and healing BLM can't provide.
In the MCH case, it's the opposite, it's getting outDPS by jobs that provide additional support.

Imagine if BLM would be below SMN or RDM...
Oh wait, it happened and SMN got the nerf into a whole rework that nerfed it even further.

[Ayche]

Mobility tax/Uptime Bonus is an infinite debate carousel huh...
Well, the 10 potency nudging is a very safe method of building up pressure before MCH gets so much aDPS that lowest of the melee jobs or SMN/RDM squeal.

[CKNovel]

Mobility tax/Uptime Bonus is an infinite debate carousel huh...
Well, the 10 potency nudging is a very safe method of building up pressure before MCH gets so much aDPS that lowest of the melee jobs or SMN/RDM squeal.

It's an infinite debate because it's a compromise between a ranged and a pure DPS.
It should remain low because it's a ranged. It be higher because it's a pure DPS.

We already established the uptime is always near 100% and not as much punished now that we have the ranged GCD not breaking the combos.

[dartfan]

This problem is starting to be true not just for MCH, but also for RDM and SMN, who are for no good reason trailing way too far behind melee jobs and BLM.

The rotations on melee and BLM seen so many simplifications, that these classes realy are NOT any harder to play/optimize than the rest. The problem with uptime for melee at SOME encounters still exists, but it is quite marginal and certainly not worth the size of DPS difference.

Basically, this expansion started with overpowered RPR and somewhat overtunned BRD, which was followed by panic-buffing (or overbuffing) of all the melee classes and BLM, leaving everything else in dust.
Not saying you cannot play some job in savage with good party, but the discrepancy is showing more and more.

Well, they broke bard for 2 weeks. So get your kicks in while you can!

[Ayche]

It's an infinite debate because it's a compromise between a ranged and a pure DPS.
It should remain low because it's a ranged. It be higher because it's a pure DPS.

We already established the uptime is always near 100% and not as much punished now that we have the ranged GCD not breaking the combos.

100% uptime on casters and especially melee still takes effort and has nuance to it, it is not given.
Uptime bonus can be higher or lower, but it cannot be negligible.

[Silver-Strider]

I mean, there isn't a valid reason MCH shouldn't be doing more damage than BRD or DNC and I'm speaking of rDPS. A High APM job with less mobility than its counterparts and little to no utility to speak of should absolutely bring the highest damage of their role because that's all it offers. "But what's the point of BRD and DNC then?" The Increased Healing from Nature's Minne, Improv, Curing Waltz, etc. the utility in Songs and Steps and the extra mobility granted by Repelling Shot and En Avant. It's legitimately the same exact argument for why it's alright for BLM to out DPS RDM and SMN; extra healing, utility and mobility.

There's simply no reason whatsoever for MCH to be so low when everything points in the opposite direction.

[Kolsykol]

I duuno, I maimed Sam for 4 years and I never thought kaiten was core to the job.

The iaijutsu were core. But never kaiten.

Switched to DRG this expansion because Sam felt too busy. May switch back with kaiten being gone.

Considering that Kaiten was tied to Iaijutsus and the only other Kenki skill that actually added some variety and depth to it, yeah I'd say it was core to the Job...

Edit: Also DRG only had like 1 APM lower than SAM...
And way clunkier weaving ( altho it got better this patch, I'd say this patch did significantly more to make DRG smoother ).

[CKNovel]

100% uptime on casters and especially melee still takes effort and has nuance to it, it is not given.
Uptime bonus can be higher or lower, but it cannot be negligible.

100% takes effort, sure.
But 95% uptime is achievable with minimal effort. I'd even argue 97-98% are easily achievable.

Those missing 5% are not that big of a DPS gap.

[Ayche]

100% takes effort, sure.
But 95% uptime is achievable with minimal effort. I'd even argue 97-98% are easily achievable.

Those missing 5% are not that big of a DPS gap.

I can only say that I don't think it is that easy.
But in the end this is something a ... vague community background noise consensus can decide I guess.
Not to mention what even percentile do we focus on here? Median MCH might had already overtaken median BRD and DNC.