Machinist class is dead

[Cyd3l]

I literally outlined precisely why this isn't happening; a post you've conveniently ignored. Machinist needs to be the Samurai of Prange, where it does monstrously high damage under raid buffs. It isn't. In fact, it's contributing a third the overall contribution of Dancer and Bard.

Im aware it isn't happening. That's why this thread exists? The problem is there can't be a SAM of pranged. If there is it will be the go-to DPS class and melee will be crying next. So it can't do SAM lvl dmg, not unless they redesign the entire role and revamp how ranged are taxed on DPS. Thus we need a whole role re-evaluation or MCH should probably become a support class like DNC and BRD with similar contributions.

Serenaya post was a good analysis on this.

[CKNovel]

I honestly don't even know why it would be so bad for double ranged compositions to exist. Double melee and double caster are fine. Ranged classes don't even bring a combat raise and SMN is just as mobile as any physical ranged class. There's really no composition where MCH fits in: it doesn't buff anyone, and it doesn't do enough damage to use buffs well.

Especially since you can use 1 Melee, 1 Caster, 1 Ranged and 1 SMN for the exact same mobility.
Expect you get a free res and cool healing.

And that mobility is, in practice, completely useless.

[Kitfox]

Especially since you can use 1 Melee, 1 Caster, 1 Ranged and 1 SMN for the exact same mobility.
Expect you get a free res and cool healing.

And that mobility is, in practice, completely useless.

Fun fact: MCH is also the least mobile physical ranged. DNC has En Avant and BRD's Repelling shot just got buffed to 15 yalms.

[CKNovel]

Let's go with a funnier fact!
A skilled BLM will be more mobile than a perfect MCH.

Okay that may be a stretch but BLM mobility remains insane in EW.

[gamerseb]

To be honest, I feel more mobile as a RPR with the insane movent buffs than as a MCH having to run everywhere. Insanely big boss hit areas don't help either.

[Kitfox]

MCH is actually the only ranged dps, physical or caster, that doesn't have any kind of mobility skill or gap closer. Well, unless you count Flamethrower as a mobility skill, except it's anti-mobility. Every caster can jump in or jump out, or jump somewhere and jump back.

[Hikuro_Kenshi]

I'm on board with this thread. MCH is gonna be the worst dps for the entirety of endwalker at this rate.

It's almost like squeenix is forcing me to switch mains at this point.

[WiccaP]

Ive seen it in another thread and I agree, the devs and yoshi just glance over MCH and act like they dont even want to talk about it in lives and ignore it in content. It honestly feels like they dont care about the job, its players, or how to fix it. Ive mained MCH since HW and honestly if something doesnt change in 7.0, I cant say Ill be a mch main.

[Grimoire-M]

I just might have to buy a bow with my books even though I dislike BRD. I don't even have DNC leveled. Even double caster is probably better than including a MCH.

Can confirm, been doing Double Caster Double Melee without a hitch the entire tier. I'm filling the 'ranged' slot because NIN's uptime capabilities let me compensate for us having a BLM/RDM pair. As much as I may want to swap off of it as protest to their changes, it'll hurt the group overall if I do.

[strangethings]

SAMs are being drama queens. And SMN got a systematic change, so swift isn't necessary for a DPS increase. You can still use it that way for mobility but it won't be mandatory. They did increase the damage on it, too.
As for MCH, mobility simply comes at the cost of damage. You want more damage? Either be melee or get some fat cast times. It's simply how this game is designed.

Or swap to BRD/DNC, who happen to have more mobility than MCH.