Machinist class is dead

[AnkanV]

You need to have *SOME* high personal DPS classes for DNC and BRD to actually gain benefit from. That's why you would want them. Having those classes like SAM, BLM, MCH are necessary for DNC and BRD to achieve higher RDPS, if you just had a full raid of support DPS their RDPS would be much lower. DNC and BRD can't even hit their medicore RDPS without those high personal DPS classes to buff in the first place. Support classes don't stack well and they are effected by the entire comp of the raid. High Personal DPS classes do stack and literally don't rely on any other class to achieve that. A Dancer dance partnering a MCH is going to do a lot more RDPS than a Dancer dance partnering another Dancer or Bard. Support classes *need* those high personal DPS classes to do well. I want to stress I am not saying MCH doesn't need buffs, it does but its not so simple as just making it out perform DNC and BRD in everything. In regards to what its offering the party, DNC and BRD just offer DPS buffs, MCH has the same defensive CD the whole role has. Personal DPS > DPS from Buffs. DPS from Buffs require coordination, require multiple people to execute properly, there are more variables. Your personal DPS is up to you and only you, this makes it more desirable than DPS from buffs, because there is less that can go wrong.

Outside of DF, when did you ever have 4 physical ranged dps in a party? Or even three, two of which being dnc and one dnc allready snagging the not-phys-ranged dps for their dancepartner?

[Cyd3l]

Outside of DF, when did you ever have 4 physical ranged dps in a party? Or even three, two of which being dnc and one dnc allready snagging the not-phys-ranged dps for their dancepartner?

You guys are missing the point, I wasn't saying DNC + MCH is good, just using it to explain how pairing with high personal DPS classes is necessary for buff classes to also reach high numbers. MCH obv is the worst choice of them, yes again THEY NEED BUFFS. But just making them always do better than DNC and Bard only changes MCH from having no place in raids to BRD and DNC now having no place in raids. Bring MCH to similar levels, or revamp the whole phys ranged role (preferable). Just making MCH out perform DNC and BRD? Makes no sense unless you just want to go from 1 dead class to 2. We need better solutions.