After reading the patch notes, I guess I won't play SAM anymore

[Gemina]

Indeed, was a dopamine button. Also check out this link, some optimism if enough SAM players stay vocal.

Ehh... Kaiten is most likely gone for good. That's one reason for the negative feedback, because those SAM players know that its return is extremely unlikely. There's no need to develop a defeatist attitude about it like keeping it around as a phantom skill you press due to muscle memory. C'mon now.

I don't dismiss the impact this has on how the job feels, but I know SAM players will get used to its removal, and will very likely do so before even getting the mechs from the new alliance raid down. For me personally, Ogi is going where Kaiten used to be. I am a controller user and it was previously on my third crossbar set (least used ability set), but definitely preferred to have it on my first set. I just did not have room for it. I had to place the ability on a hotbar in order to monitor its cooldown, now I don't have to do any of that. Kaiten removal is definitely a benefit to me personally, but also will be missed. I LOVED that skill.

However, Ikoshoten and Third Eye are also on the first set, each of which could have been used to address that I did not have room for Ogi (Iko changing to Ogi, or Third Eye being deleted from the game), and Kaiten could have been left intact. It neither here or there now, but perhaps some hindsight for the dev team is in order.

[Nevermind]

Confusing tbh as to why they would change Samurais cone to a circle, but they designed Reaper from the ground up and let It slide into the game with a cone attack on Its "Grim Reaping" and "Lemure's Scythe" abilities. Like whats the point you're probably going to change It later with this design path you've been taking. Should've just made It a circle to begin with.

[Carin-Eri]

Ah well, might give SAM a try in this case. I mean, can't miss something you never had

[forsakee]

Guaranteed crit is not exciting when it does 1/4th the damage as before

Time to farm the rest of reaper BIS 2 weeks before ultimate sigh =(

[muchichi]

reaper is even more braindead than SAM is now

[Iedarus]

If you like games like Dark souls or think every game is easy even on Very Hard or Hardcore mode chances are this patch is not meant for you people sort of like how FFXIV ARR is not meant for players who liked FFXIV 1.0.

These changes like Healers actually getting increased healing after pissing off the majority of their consumers with DPS Healers (Mainly Sages) going around barely healing. This is a welcome chance like the removal of the cross class system which I know you people loved. I know your a new guy but its was a painful system that forced you to level other classes to get abilities, you would of loved that system.

Someone's salty a healer out-parsed him.

[Kolsykol]

Guaranteed crit is not exciting when it does 1/4th the damage as before

Time to farm the rest of reaper BIS 2 weeks before ultimate sigh =(

Yeah the crits are very small it feels so dull to crit now.
In my weekly clear today I got the DNC partner over the SAM lol, there was like this sad atmosphere about it.

It's just completely baffling I've never seen anyone ever complain about Kaiten existing.........
And all of these people who don't even have SAM leveled up and don't even play it defending it while not even understanding what the problem is, it's infuriating.

Imagine thinking that using Kaiten = hardcore/ elitist.
Just lol, people have such an insanely low bar for it that I don't think is reflected ingame at all, most random people I play with ingame even in dungeons play totally fine and would be considered ultra hardcore elite 1337 according to people on the forum.

[hydralus]

I too miss my big numbers. Unironically.

[Naoki34]

Aside from Third Eye extended duration, every change seems to homogenize Samurai to be just like any other DPS, or even worse.

There was no reason for Tenka Goken to be changed from a cone to circle, and nothing was changed to address what every SAM player suggested (merging shohas, ogi namikiri, guren merge with senei). If every job AoE is a circle, none of them will feel special or unique, you just go in the dungeon and do the same thing with a different attire.

Not only that, they made Wanderer's Minuet change into Pitch Perfect which was Literally what we were asking to change in Ikishoten / Ogi Namikiri. It's almost as if the devs don't share ideas or don't want to help each other.

As far as potency goes I can't say much about it. I know it'll probably do the same overall DPS but certainly does not feel nice to read your 990 potency skill (with kaiten) that could crit went to 600 but always crit.

Ok, What else ?

[ShanaShirayuki]

Ehh... Kaiten is most likely gone for good. That's one reason for the negative feedback, because those SAM players know that its return is extremely unlikely. There's no need to develop a defeatist attitude about it like keeping it around as a phantom skill you press due to muscle memory. C'mon now.

They re-added Hagakure after similar backlash during the start of SHB, you never know.