Thread: 6.1 Patch Notes

Originally Posted by Ryme

Basically covered all the fixes the community was asking for so I for one am willing to give SE a thumbs up on this one. Good job guys!

No they haven't. Yes these are some positive changes but there's still various problems in the healers and the nerf to expedient was unneccesary.

Was gonna say that their solution to lack of mp at higher levels seem to be that you can rapture and not lose it to glaring. Just give me back old thin air. There isn't enough healing to do even in savage.

I am in DISBELIEF that WHM complaints were listened to: MP costs, weird 18s duration in older DOTs, Lilybell, but especially surprised about Misery. I never thought they’d make it actually DPS neutral. The Lily gauge change, I assume, is a way they are attempting to address MP economy issues rather than revert Thin Air or add some new but it effect but I find it to be an odd decision to give an extra Lily a minute when no additional healing is required. This just makes the other GCD heals even less optimal choices as fishing for the Misery under raid buffs will now likely be optimal. But I’m not complaining. More Lilies per minute equates to more Miseries. I am the DPS now.

As for SCH, SGE and AST. Not exactly a fan of the Expedient nerf. I think the current cap skills have their own individual overpowered niches and its a shame to see aoe sprint nerfed and not, say, aoe benediction. (I didn’t want any of them nerfed, only Lilybell fixed.) SGE’s Soteria is interesting and I get that it was changed so it can get all its uses in the case you cast a non-Kardia spell during its duration. Addersting change was something suggested on these very forums and is going to feel really good in content.

And AST… lol… k. I don’t think they know what they want to do to address AST’s primary issue: button bloat.

Originally Posted by BlueMageQuina

I am in DISBELIEF that WHM complaints were listened to: MP costs, weird 18s duration in older DOTs, Lilybell, but especially surprised about Misery. I never thought they’d make it actually DPS neutral. The Lily gauge change, I assume, is a way they are attempting to address MP economy issues rather than revert Thin Air or add some new but it effect but I find it to be an odd decision to give an extra Lily a minute when no additional healing is required. This just makes the other GCD heals even less optimal choices as fishing for the Misery under raid buffs will now likely be optimal. But I’m not complaining. More Lilies per minute equates to more Miseries. I am the DPS now.

As for SCH, SGE and AST. Not exactly a fan of the Expedient nerf. I think the current cap skills have their own individual overpowered niches and its a shame to see aoe sprint nerfed and not, say, aoe benediction. (I didn’t want any of them nerfed, only Lilybell fixed.) SGE’s Soteria is interesting and I get that it was changed so it can get all its uses in the case you cast a non-Kardia spell during its duration. Addersting change was something suggested on these very forums and is going to feel really good in content.

And AST… lol… k. I don’t think they know what they want to do to address AST’s primary issue: button bloat.

When you don't ned healing, lilies can be a great movement tool now (they always were of course, but now they are actually buttons you want to push). It's wild to think that AST is the healer with the worst mobility now. Lightspeed needs a change ASAP.

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

So, here's a question. Do the MP cost reductions to Aero and Stone carry over when it upgrades to Dia and Glare? If the level 90 spells are still as expensive, I'm not so sure the MP issue has been fixed at all.

Misery being able to hit 60s raid buff windows now is huge, though. Though it's DPS-neutral on its own, being able to hit the raid buffs will make it DPS-positive.

no they dont, i checked the job guide, they are still 400mp

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Hm. Guess we'll see if 3 lilies per minute is enough to offset that...

It's only a gain in 1 Lily per minute, and only if you're GCD healing. Misery is damage neutral now, but is that enough to justify pausing attacks to use Lilies?