Removing Kaiten: Who Asked?

[wereotter]

Do they really need to be ASKED to make changes to jobs?

ROW/TK Monk says no. No they don't.

So you put on your big kid pants, suck it up, and deal with it. Change jobs if it upsets you that much. Very rarely have they reversed course on decisions like this.

[DreadfullyAwful]

Do they really need to be ASKED to make changes to jobs?

ROW/TK Monk says no. No they don't.

So you put on your big kid pants, suck it up, and deal with it. Change jobs if it upsets you that much. Very rarely have they reversed course on decisions like this.

I dunno, the outrage for Kaiten's removal is massive from both ENG and JP players. Yoshi even mentioned it on stream. They are even going to make a post attempting to justify it, as it seems 'button bloat' wasn't the reason even though it was previously stated. I think if the outrage continues, it'll be walked back

[wereotter]

I dunno, the outrage for Kaiten's removal is massive from both ENG and JP players. Yoshi even mentioned it on stream. They are even going to make a post attempting to justify it, as it seems 'button bloat' wasn't the reason even though it was previously stated. I think if the outrage continues, it'll be walked back

The outrage for removing positionals on monk was pretty huge too.... but they're still not restored.

The original statement, as I read it, had nothing to do with button bloat, but to even out samurai damage across multiple runs. Where previously the damage differential if you did or did not get a crit could make a massive difference, now it won't. It's still a weak reason since I'd sure love my Phantom Rush to be a gaurenteed critical hit to even out my damage, but that's the reason they gave.

Heck, this isn't even the first contraversial change to just samurai. I dropped it and haven't looked back when they removed hagakure and forced samurai to do more iajutsu.

[waterboytkd]

The outrage for removing positionals on monk was pretty huge too.... but they're still not restored.

But that was massively split, too. There are a lot of folks happy with the removal of positionals. And, unlike the Kaiten debate, there were actually good arguments on both sides of the positional debate. The only argument for removing Kaiten is keystroke bloat, which was never a big complaint in the Sam community (number of hotkeys, yes; number of buttons pushed per minute, not really).

The original statement, as I read it, had nothing to do with button bloat, but to even out samurai damage across multiple runs. Where previously the damage differential if you did or did not get a crit could make a massive difference, now it won't. It's still a weak reason since I'd sure love my Phantom Rush to be a gaurenteed critical hit to even out my damage, but that's the reason they gave.

Agreed, although, it's worth pointing out that the auto-crit is what's really doing the lion's share of work between closing the gap between a parse's floor and ceiling due to RNG. Kaiten could have stayed with an auto-crit mechanic (it would have just required pushing the potency a little lower).

Heck, this isn't even the first contraversial change to just samurai. I dropped it and haven't looked back when they removed hagakure and forced samurai to do more iajutsu.

The brightside here is they did reverse the Hagakure removal. So maybe, we can look forward to some kind of reconciliation in this situation, too.