Why do Mi’qote ears go through Snow’s hat but not Hrothgar ears?

[Iscah]

Unless the statement didn't include Hrothgar males.

The statement was specifically about Viera, so no, it didn't include Hrothgar.

It's pretty clear that they (and Miqo'te) are all differently constructed models and what works for one doesn't automatically work for another. The ears are controlled and applied in their own specific ways that may be attached to the hair or the head or an independent selectable piece.

Miqo'te can't choose their ear shape; it's tied to the hairstyle. Viera ears are independent of the hair. Hrothgar ears were permanently moulded into the head but that may not be the case for the altered version that will exist after tomorrow.

You can't assume how one will work based on the other.

[MellowMink]

This still seems like an unfair double standard to me. “It’s hard to code.” Then don’t commercially advertise features that are released in an unfinished state; why do Hrothgar warrant having less effort put into them? It makes me feel excluded when I can’t have newer hair without losing my ears, when a Heavensturn award is advertised but still invisible despite being brand-new, when I can wear a few hats but not most of them since there’s inconsistent effort to supporting most hats despite many more other races getting to have them, and more; Hrothgar have been around for years and yet they’re still being treated as less important. “The ears are hiding.” I wish that a more honest answer was provided.

[DiaDeem]

Snow ate them.

[MellowMink]

Snow ate them.

Snow is speciesist then for selectively eating Hrothgar ears but not Miqo’te ones.

[Arkfrost]

@Thread topic:

But Hrothgar ears do go through Snow's hat!:



Wait... that's a mod... that someone just slapped together in a couple of minutes/hours in June 2021... almost a year ago...

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It is because miquote default head is bald with no ear.
Hrothgar default head model comes with ear because this is an actual beast race and not really humanoid model that already existed.

I thought this explanation (which also was female Viera's case)

No, female Viera's default head model never came with ears tied to it. The ears are a completely separate parts, neither tied to the head nor the hair model. Those are 3 completely separate files. Viera heads are exactly like Miqote heads: Bald without any ears.



There's a switch in the Metadata of hat/helmet models called HeadShowEarViera that switches ears on and off.
There has also been another rumor that Viera ears use the same slot as hats/helmets, but this was also completely wrong and entirely made up by people who have zero clue how the game works and just assumed stuff without any basis. SE simply toggled helmet display for Viera off, with another metadata switch called HeadShowVieraHat. It took a modder 3 hours to enable every single helmet in the game for Viera by simply putting a check mark on this metadata option on every helmet in the game. Then it took them another 3 hours to disable the Viera ears on every helmet/hat to make a second version of the mod without ears.

Pretty sure that this was a design decision because SE didn't like how Viera ears clip through hats & helmets (meanwhile Moren's hair clip through his whole hood like crazy in an official cutscene, when he looks at the sky after you kill the first Lightwarden)

[kpxmanifesto]

Probably because without the ears, the miquote look too much like regular humans. They'll lose too much of their racial identity.

[Canadane]

Miqo'te, not Mi'qote.

[Jin-]

Fans already fixed it. You know where to look for it if you wish. Looks way better and feels like fans care more about the product than Creative Business Unit III does

[MellowMink]

Miqo'te, not Mi'qote.

Kind of an unimportant typo in the context of the thread’s concerns. Edited out all the minor typos though.

[MellowMink]

@Thread topic:

But Hrothgar ears do go through Snow's hat!:



Wait... that's a mod... that someone just slapped together in a couple of minutes/hours in June 2021... almost a year ago...

Even if it has some clipping, I think that this looks better and is also way fairer since it’s consistent with Miqo’te support. I would rather have clipping (which countless amounts of clothes already have, as do some hair effects on other races) than implied mutilation.