If you continue to dumb down the game, you will lose half your player base

[Ranaku]

These two categories are not mutually exclusive.

Really? Never heard of that!

Jokes aside i never said raiders and casuals are mutually exclusive categories. And it changes absolutely nothing anyways. It is fact that far more players play the game in a casual way than in a hardcore raiding way. Speaking about Savages/Ultimates etc. here. Especially with Ultimates which get cleared by maybe idk 1% of the games population?

XIV attracts way more people who don't rush into the latest savages and ultimates but rather casual players. And there you have the reason why SE is catering to casuals more than to the hardcore raiding scene. Not to mention that casuals don't go into hibernation after every raid and actually pay also for other things while really many raiders are only into raiding which is not where the money lies for SE.

Hope now you understand it better and nice try, really.

Edit: These hardcore raiders are also those who cry about all the jobs getting to easy and casual. While the silent majority just goes with the flow. So thinking you (not you you but the hardcore raider base) makes half the games population and with SE catering more to casuals they will kill the game is beyond hilarious.

[rewd]

These two categories are not mutually exclusive.

It's also wrong, especially if you consider JP which is the game's priority.

[Skiros]

Really? Never heard of that!

Jokes aside i never said raiders and casuals are mutually exclusive categories. And it changes absolutely nothing anyways. It is fact that far more players play the game in a casual way than in a hardcore raiding way. Speaking about Savages/Ultimates etc. here. Especially with Ultimates which get cleared by maybe idk 1% of the games population?

XIV attracts way more people who don't rush into the latest savages and ultimates but rather casual players. And there you have the reason why SE is catering to casuals more than to the hardcore raiding scene. Not to mention that casuals don't go into hibernation after every raid and actually pay also for other things while really many raiders are only into raiding which is not where the money lies for SE.

Hope now you understand it better and nice try, really.

Maybe raiders won't go into hibernation if there's actually something interesting to do beyond grinding mentor roulette 2000 times.

[Ranaku]

Maybe raiders won't go into hibernation if there's actually something interesting to do beyond grinding mentor roulette 2000 times.

That argument still makes no sense, why should you put development time into something that is enjoyed by only a small fraction of the playerbase?

Just speaking from a economical standpoint here, i mean i would also like harder dungeons where healers have to actually heal and SE butchered my main job machinist more times than i can count but i try to see the things from a logical standpoint. SE wants to make investors and shareholders happy and putting effort into a really niche part of the playerbase might not be lucrative enough, that's why we see that they lean more towards casuals.

And i don't think that will ever change since it's a downward spiral. The game attracts with its current philosophy more casuals than hardcore raiders. As long as the players who really enjoy hard content are not getting overwhelming in numbers the game will continue to dumb down. Not the direction i would like but the numbers clearly speak for themselves, they have success with their methods and you can't deny that.

[Skiros]

That argument still makes no sense, why should you put development time into something that is enjoyed by only a small fraction of the playerbase?

Just speaking from a economical standpoint here, i mean i would also like harder dungeons where healers have to actually heal and SE butchered my main job machinist more times than i can count but i try to see the things from a logical standpoint. SE wants to make investors and shareholders happy and putting effort into a really niche part of the playerbase might not be lucrative enough, that's why we see that they lean more towards casuals.

And i don't think that will ever change since it's a downward spiral. The game attracts with its current philosophy more casuals than hardcore raiders. As long as the players who really enjoy hard content are not getting overwhelming in numbers the game will continue to dumb down. Not the direction i would like but the numbers clearly speak for themselves, they have success with their methods and you can't deny that.

Savage is done by over half of JP. The numbers do speak for themselves just not the way you'd like.

[Ranaku]

Savage is done by over half of JP. The numbers do speak for themselves just not the way you'd like.

And? That still doesn't mean anything when looking at the overall numbers of players. The amount of japanese players on one of their servers is insanely low compared to western servers. Japanese worlds have all the time 1/2 the population of a NA/EU world and often even only 1/3 of the population.

And the clear rates for NA/EU are WAY WAAAAAAY lower than the japanese ones which might be a cultural thing (Japanese players seem also to stick more with the game) but i admire you just picking the highest clearing numbers you could find just to make a invalid fake argument for yourself.

Back in ShB EU/NA had like 3,4m players and japan 1,4m. With all the western streamers making the game more popular on the western market that difference nowdays might be even higher, by a lot.

So i am sorry pal but your numbers don't speak at all for themselves and especially not for you.

[rewd]

It takes dedication and talent to be able to constantly contradict yourself, move the goalposts and still think you can afford the aura of passive-aggressiveness.

[RyuDragnier]

Maybe raiders won't go into hibernation if there's actually something interesting to do beyond grinding mentor roulette 2000 times.

You mean if they wanted to do something other than raiding. Often times if they're only here for raiding, then they only want to do hardcore content, and nothing more. You cannot cater to those individuals, there's absolutely nothing you can add to make them stay for more than the raids.

[Kewitt]

I'm here for the story and friends I've made. The gameplay is only 1/2 of the battle for me.

[astrabun]

we don't just simply want more buttons we want more thought that goes into pressing the buttons and maintaining class fantasies. Having nuanced difficulty to playing jobs at a high level optimizations to do planning to do using abilities in interesting ways. Not just making every class be so similar that the only difference is the weapon. While you may not be interested in that the content is so easy and requires so little of you that it literally doesn't matter for you. We just want them to stop removing abilities and making changes that literally appeal to no one that actually plays and enjoys the job.