If you continue to dumb down the game, you will lose half your player base

[Grann-Goro]

I pity you if you never engaged in raiding in World of Warcraft. To be clear, you might get a red 'tank buster' warning here, but you'll definitely get more than that in an instance on World of Warcraft because of an add-on called "DBM" which is a required add-on for those in the raiding tiers.

Player in FFXIV: OMG! Square Enix added a Telegraph! It's the end of the world!
Player in WoW: Don't bother raiding if you don't have DBM installed.

To me, DBM is precilesy the reason why raiding in WoW is not good.

[RyuDragnier]

To me, DBM is precilesy the reason why raiding in WoW is not good.

Yeah, if the raids are developed with a 3rd party program in mind being used...are they actually well designed to begin with?

[Acece]

To me, DBM is precilesy the reason why raiding in WoW is not good.

I feel like dbm also allows for preimtive healers to exist in wow with it's random nature in mind. Disc priest would be impossible to exist without dbm/bigwigs.

Yeah, if the raids are developed with a 3rd party program in mind being used...are they actually well designed to begin with?

I would say that wow raids are more diverse with mechanics rather then ffxiv spread, stack, and stand in a certain place or die extravaganza.

[RyuDragnier]

I would say that wow raids are more diverse with mechanics rather then ffxiv spread, stack, and stand in a certain place or die extravaganza.

But if they can't be done without a 3rd party program helping...then should they really be in the game?

[Acece]

But if they can't be done without a 3rd party program helping...then should they really be in the game?

I mean they can be, but it'll be more difficult. I consider dbm and such just part of the homework for raids, like watching guides or reading timelines if you're a healer. I only heroic raided for two tiers in shadowlands but I don't remember any mechanics needing dbm, though I used it cause I was a disc priest lol.