A list of things that can be done instead of removing Kaiten

[Quor]

They're not trying to reduce the number of hotbar buttons. They're trying to reduce the APM. They want to reduce the amount of actions you cram into every 2-min burst window. They'll probably lower kenki generation too, or make Shinten cost more, so Kaiten doesn't just get replaced with more Shinten spam.

Unfortunately, none of your suggestions are relevant to what SQEX is trying to do. But I agree, Shoha 2 should have just been an upgrade, like Expaciation on PLD.

This reasoning does not hold water.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...oat-on-Samurai

The tl;dr here is that removal of Kaiten will lower the CPM (casts per minute) of SAM by about one. One less button press per minute is functionally nothing, and certainly not worth gutting the job over.

[SiriusBreeze]

This reasoning does not hold water.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...oat-on-Samurai

The tl;dr here is that removal of Kaiten will lower the CPM (casts per minute) of SAM by about one. One less button press per minute is functionally nothing, and certainly not worth gutting the job over.

Thank you, this is pretty important to the Samurai conversation

[AnotherPerson]

This reasoning does not hold water.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...oat-on-Samurai

The tl;dr here is that removal of Kaiten will lower the CPM (casts per minute) of SAM by about one. One less button press per minute is functionally nothing, and certainly not worth gutting the job over.

Unfortunately, we said that with healers and their DoTs, but look where healers ended up From Stormblood to Shadowbringers and now in Endwalker. In reality, the changes were made for "accessibility". Not button bloat nor action bloat, or whatever they have you believe. I wouldn't give it much hope. Then again, developers tend to listen more to DPS than healers (seeing how they would give skill adjustments in one or two patch cycles than wait an entire expansion for more pressing concerns outside of potency changes), so there's a chance they'll revert it.

[strangethings]

The idea of SE trying to remove a core button that is pressed many times in the gameplay loop because of its role in the 2 minute loop is ridiculous. It's like when someone is told they need to work 8 hours straight without stopping and get fired for taking a bathroom break for 30 seconds