Thread: Patch 6.1 Notes

Originally Posted by Ransu

Healers in every MMO are limited in their dps kits. FFXIV isn't unique in that nature and its intentional because you can't have a class that's focus is healing while also having a strong offensive kit. FFXIV may be a bit more extreme than most, but in general its normal for healer classes in MMO's to only have 3 or 4 attacks and maybe a dot.

So ya, I don't really have any sympathy for people playing healers and complaining about not having more damaging skills. You're a healer, your job is to heal.

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I don't agree with tanks having a stupid amount of self healing either. They should have strong damage mitigation to deal with cleaves\tank busters\big pulls and what not and yes I also agree that there should be more outgoing damage in certain content. I'm sorry that you think the argument is so one dimensional and your only retort is to call people "simps."

I have never played a healer in ANY MMO ever that spammed a single DPS skill more than 100 times in a dungeon, representing at least 70% of the skills used.

i have never played a healer in ANY MMO , even in a pure healing spec, where i was limited to only 2 DPS skills or three DPS skills- I didn't have many in that spec , but i would have a couple more, and with classes that had almost no self-heals.

I'm not asking for sympathy from you, it really doesn't sound like you know anything about healing ,based upon my experience it doesn't fit any game I have played within the past twenty years.

Originally Posted by Ransu

So ya, I don't really have any sympathy for people playing healers and complaining about not having more damaging skills. You're a healer, your job is to heal.

What if we're so good at our job that we've spent only 10% of the fight to keep our party alive and healthy and have the other 90% as downtime. You're saying it's good that we're punished for playing well and efficiently, by only having one button to press? Why should a role feel worse to play the better you play it?

Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

You try to say "You're a healer, your job is to heal."
And then have nothing to heal for the next 30+ seconds because healing is overpowered in this game.

Yet again I see this take. I get it, there's people skilled enough to know how to managed everyone's HP making the job very trivial, but 30 seconds of straight dps with no healing in between? like please elaborate on the situations where thats even possible. It sure aint during mobs pulls where wall to wall requires pumping out them heals to that tank unless they're a warrior. I can maybe see this during boss fights or trials where you have more down time to dps and the fact that you have a co-healer alleviates much of the responsibility.

Basically what Im getting at is that Ive been running a bunch of group content. A lot of it while I was leveling up my healing jobs and no where was I so brain-dead enough where I didnt wind up using my toolkit and just spamming my one button. This is the take that completely baffles me because I just dont see it. I can only believe this for like Savage raids as Ive ran with my static who definitely proves the whole less heal more dps statement but I still feel like this is not something that happens consistently if were just generalizing.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yet again I see this take. I get it, there's people skilled enough to know how to managed everyone's HP making the job very trivial, but 30 seconds of straight dps with no healing in between? like please elaborate on the situations where thats even possible. It sure aint during mobs pulls where wall to wall requires pumping out them heals to that tank unless they're a warrior. I can maybe see this during boss fights or trials where you have more down time to dps and the fact that you have a co-healer alleviates much of the responsibility.

Basically what Im getting at is that Ive been running a bunch of group content. A lot of it while I was leveling up my healing jobs and no where was I so brain-dead enough where I didnt wind up using my toolkit and just spamming my one button. This is the take that completely baffles me because I just dont see it. I can only believe this for like Savage raids as Ive ran with my static who definitely proves the whole less heal more dps statement but I still feel like this is not something that happens consistently if were just generalizing.

Dungeons as sage i literally use haima and kerachole and that’s enough for an entire pull. Maaaybe a taurochole if necessary but that’s it, and then panhaima and kerachole for the next pull. Those are all ogcd’s btw, so i’m still 100% dps spamming in my dungeon runs.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yet again I see this take. I get it, there's people skilled enough to know how to managed everyone's HP making the job very trivial, but 30 seconds of straight dps with no healing in between? like please elaborate on the situations where thats even possible. It sure aint during mobs pulls where wall to wall requires pumping out them heals to that tank unless they're a warrior. I can maybe see this during boss fights or trials where you have more down time to dps and the fact that you have a co-healer alleviates much of the responsibility.

Basically what Im getting at is that Ive been running a bunch of group content. A lot of it while I was leveling up my healing jobs and no where was I so brain-dead enough where I didnt wind up using my toolkit and just spamming my one button. This is the take that completely baffles me because I just dont see it. I can only believe this for like Savage raids as Ive ran with my static who definitely proves the whole less heal more dps statement but I still feel like this is not something that happens consistently if were just generalizing.

even during wall to wall pulls a heal can DPS unless the tank is (a) not using CDs (b) really under geared (c) you're at an exceptional dungeon such as Holminster, where DPSing may be problematic or (d) DPs are basically not using their skills

Otherwise all healers can throw out DoTs, WHM can throw out significant damage while Holy is up, and SGEs can throw out damage while the tank is pulling, DPs and mitigate pre-pull so that they're not 'pumping out heals',

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yet again I see this take. I get it, there's people skilled enough to know how to managed everyone's HP making the job very trivial, but 30 seconds of straight dps with no healing in between? like please elaborate on the situations where thats even possible. It sure aint during mobs pulls where wall to wall requires pumping out them heals to that tank unless they're a warrior. I can maybe see this during boss fights or trials where you have more down time to dps and the fact that you have a co-healer alleviates much of the responsibility.

Basically what Im getting at is that Ive been running a bunch of group content. A lot of it while I was leveling up my healing jobs and no where was I so brain-dead enough where I didnt wind up using my toolkit and just spamming my one button. This is the take that completely baffles me because I just dont see it. I can only believe this for like Savage raids as Ive ran with my static who definitely proves the whole less heal more dps statement but I still feel like this is not something that happens consistently if were just generalizing.

It's more effective to take 3 dps and a Warrior/PLD/GNB over a usual 1 healer 2 dps 1 tank in max level dungeons. I believe 8 tanks have cleared both p1s and p2s as well.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yet again I see this take. I get it, there's people skilled enough to know how to managed everyone's HP making the job very trivial, but 30 seconds of straight dps with no healing in between? like please elaborate on the situations where thats even possible. It sure aint during mobs pulls where wall to wall requires pumping out them heals to that tank unless they're a warrior. I can maybe see this during boss fights or trials where you have more down time to dps and the fact that you have a co-healer alleviates much of the responsibility.

Basically what Im getting at is that Ive been running a bunch of group content. A lot of it while I was leveling up my healing jobs and no where was I so brain-dead enough where I didnt wind up using my toolkit and just spamming my one button. This is the take that completely baffles me because I just dont see it. I can only believe this for like Savage raids as Ive ran with my static who definitely proves the whole less heal more dps statement but I still feel like this is not something that happens consistently if were just generalizing.

Yes, even if it's a PLD, a GNB, or a DRK. I've done this for all tanks as a Sage, SCH, and AST and in wall to wall pulls. (WHM is suffering in this expansion, but you can pretty much do the same with a a couple more GCD heals since their gimmick is about GCD healing). You can pretty much talk to any healer main in the healer forums. The key point is to take advantage of your cooldowns and weave them in between without immediately panicking because damage is highly scripted. It's the same thing as cycling your healing abilities like a tank does, except you have ridiculously more abilities than a tank for the cases where a player 'may' make a mistake. If it's on a WAR, it just means I press nothing except maybe Physis II and Kerachole (and that's overkill with their equilibrium healing a ton when their Bloodwhetting is down). If it's a PLD, GNB, or DRK, it means I just add Haima in addition to Krasis, Physis II, and Kerachole. If they're extremely bad, then I use my remaining toolkit (Holos, Panhaima, Soteria) in addition to my addersgall. And this is where I can have an entire fight without a GCD spent on healing. That's basically 100% DPS uptime. Players have to mess up considerably for me to even consider dipping into my GCD healing because of how overtuned healing is when you take into account of tank mitigation & healing in general.

I had more of a struggle in Aurum Vale because of the ILVL and limited healing skills than any dungeons above ARR because we have so much access to healing abilities as a result of all the expansions only giving us healing tools and nothing else but healing tools.

Originally Posted by Ransu

Healers in every MMO are limited in their dps kits. FFXIV isn't unique in that nature and its intentional because you can't have a class that's focus is healing while also having a strong offensive kit.

Ah yes, this is where we decide to forget that SCH was literally SMN with a healing kit so we can tell healer mains how they are supposed to do their job.

What does the new auto target option mean?

Originally Posted by CoolCat

What does the new auto target option mean?

If you dont have a target selected while using a target based ability (lets say, shield lob) the game will automatically make you hit the nearest target instead of canceling your attack.