Sharing info about getting Resplendent DoH tools in EW

[Caimie_Tsukino]

This post is just to share my info in regards to doing expert recipes for the Resplendent DoH tools in EW.

After finishing the Pteranodon & All-90 status on all DoW/DoM, I decided to get all the DoH Resplendent Tools (I only got 1 DoH last year). A good friend told me to wait till we get better gear to do them more easily. But I just can't wait! So I started doing one. I used Chilli Crab HQ and Cunning Tea HQ, as both are ridiculously cheap (I made my own food, and the 999 tea were bought when they were around 200 gil each). My left gear only have in-slot melds of Tier 8 materia, tools only have CP, acc pentamelded with Tier 8,7, and like 1 or 2 Tier 10. So my stats are definitely sub-optimal.

Here are my results.
Step 1: 30 expert crafts needed to produce 60 mats for next step. I fxxked up 1. So had to redo 1.
Step 2: 30 expert crafts needed to produce 60 mats for next step. I fxxked up 1. So had to redo Step 1 once, and then Step 2 once.
Step 3: 30 expert crafts needed to produce 60 items for the tool. I had a perfect run.
Total expert crafts done: 93 (fxxked up 2 times)
Average time per expert craft: 3-4 min

Took me about 3-4 days to finish (~1 to 2 hrs a day). The failure rate was EXTREMELY LOW. As you can see, my rate of getting max quality was about 97.5%.

In comparison to my run last year, I think it got slightly easier. I remember messing up more times when I was doing this for my BSM Resplendent tool. I think last year, every 10 items, I'd have about 1 that is less than max quality. Now, it's about 1 every 30 items.

Surely, it became easier not just due to our stats, but also because of "Heart and Soul". This skill is just super useful in many ways:

For example, when you are under Veneration and encounter a malleable condition, in the past you could only gamble with Rapid Syn, which likely fails. Now you can force an Intensive Syn to be available to better utilize the Vene+Malleable condition on a 400% power stroke on progress.

Another example would be to easily jump from IQ8 to IQ10 without any gambling.

It can also be used for just obtaining another 20 CP while giving you another chance to bait for another condition.

Another example would be, at IQ10, during the "Touch Combo" of "GS, Innov, Observe, FocTouch, PruT, PruT", if a Pliant pops after GS or after Innov, it used to suck because it would be a total waste to use Observe on the Pliant. But if you use Manip on the Pliant, then you don't have enough steps of the GS for "Observe + FocTouch". Now, with "Heart and Soul", we can do a Manip on the Pliant, and then pop "Heart and Soul", and use a Precise Touch instead of Obs+FocT to utilize the GS+Innov.

All the different usages of "Heart and Soul" are all up to you!

If you had pentamelded your gear and use better food/med, perhaps you can just macro it? If anyone know any specific stats to effectively macro them at max quality, please share and let me know! Otherwise, my current set-up is not bad at all. Cheap melds, cheap food/meds and still very mat-conserving since the fail rate is so low.

I briefly google and youtube searched, and found some macros, but they all require bank-breaking pentamelds, and yet they can't produce max qual reliably... Most of the times, it actually produces something less than max qual. If I use something like that for Step 3, I'd need to almost double the expert crafts on Step 3, which means I'll need to almost quadruple on Step 2... and so forth. It'd be such a waste of materials.




UPDATE (7th Apr 2022): I just finished the Respl. Tool for CUL today. This time it was a bit rougher. I did perfect runs for Step 1 & 2, but I then messed up 2 crafts in Step 3. For one of the failed ones I didn't even had enough collectability for 1 mat. So I had to repeat 2 Step 1 crafts and 2 Step 2 crafts before I could redo the 2 messed up Step 3 crafts. Thus, the total number of expert crafts I did here was 30+30+30+2+2+2 = 96. But because of more items being made, my fail rate here was even lower: ~2.1% failing to achieve max quality (i.e. ~97.9% rate of getting max qual).

UPDATE (9th Apr 2022): Just finished CRP Respl. Tool. Step 1: 30 failed 2, so did 32. Step 2: 30 failed 1, so redid 1 step 1, and then redid 1 step 2. Step 3: 30 failed 1, so redid 1 step 1, and then redid 1 step 2, and then redid 1 step 3. Total number of expert crafts done: 32+32+33= 97. Failed to get max qual 4 times (i.e. ~95.9% rate of getting max qual).

UPDATE (25th Apr 2022): I found that I can max qual at 100% of the times with the new i590 Pact gear set even though I did NOT pentameld my gear. My base stats is 3656 craft, 3591 control, 588 CP.

UPDATE (2nd May 2022): Got all 8 tools. Picture below:


The following guide was written to help players learn how to do the easiest Expert Recipes, which are the ones for the last step of the Skybuilders' tools. Now that we're in EW, we no longer have Patient Touch, IQ is at most 10, and the numbers for quality and progress had all been changed too. But the way to craft these things remain generally the same. So you can learn the basics of how to tackle Expert Recipes here:
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/caimie-...ers-tools.201/

The following guide was written for crafting in general. Ch26 lists out the remaining 2 types of Expert Recipes, including the Grade 4 ones at the Firmament, as well as the ones for the Resplendent Tools. With the conditions available being slightly different than the Skybuilders' tools' Expert Recipes, the tactic is slightly modified, but the general concept is still the same:
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ff14-ad...ie-tsukino.39/

The general concept can be summarized in 2 words here:
BAIT & LEVERAGE

...keep baiting for favorable conditions using Observe or other means... Land your Manip on Pliant... After maxing IQ, keep setting up touch combos that will bait for "Goods", and utilize the "Goods" differently depending on what step you're on with that combo, subsequently causing "leverage" of quality increase.

Avoid:
- Before IQ is maxed, AVOID touching at normal condition, because it burns out expensive durability too quickly.
- After IQ is maxed, AVOID straight up doing Trained Finesse under Innov, since it provides almost no leverage opportunity.

Hope this helps!

[Caimie_Tsukino]

With the new Pact gear set, our stats have further increased. I came back to this project and acquired another 3 more Resplendent Tools (GSM, ARM & ALC).
I found that I could effectively 100% max qual EVERYTHING manually (Please see pictures below).
I still haven't found a macro yet that can 100% max qual everything yet, but at least I could do it by hand.
So that means we just need 30 of the starting materials ("Material A") to begin with.
Time-wise, it's approx the same as before... still about 3-4 min per craft. Perhaps a tad bit faster now, but still need at least 3 min.




I used Chilli Crab HQ and Cunning Tea HQ. My current stats shown below is after food + tea.


At this point, I have BSM, CRP, ARM, GSM, ALC & CUL. Just 2 more to go.

[Liam_Harper]

I still haven't found a macro yet that can 100% max qual everything yet, but at least I could do it by hand.

It's possible to macro Resplendent C pieces with the new set and being a Specialist. This is my current rotation:



I'm fully max melded, but only using Chili Crab. Min stats required (with specialist stone) are 3682 Craft, 3758 Control, 678 CP.

That said, it's not too difficult to manual craft these now and would require less stats, but it was fun to try and crack the 100% macro all the same.

EDIT: Discovered with my stats if I use Thav Calamari I can skip Cunning Draughts entirely by replacing the final Focus-Synth with a basic. Calamari also means you can 100% macro A and B pieces without delineations.

More macros:

For A + B I use:
https://ffxivteamcraft.com/simulator...3XVsfyjPMvatZG

(Credit to Momochi on The Balance for this one, I haven't found a better one yet. You can choose between going Specialist or using Draught)

Skybuilder Grade 4:



HQ Chili Crab, No Specialist or Draught used.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

[Kaurhz]

Congrats.

Skybuilder Grade 4:



HQ Chili Crab, No Specialist or Draught used.

Issue here is if you get Primed on Waste Not then you can kiss the entire craft goodbye. It will invalidate Prudent at the very least. So any wise guy thinking of using it; beware of this. Furthermore, do pay caution and ensure Final Appraisal is included (for anyone that copies), it will finish the craft early if any single Groundwork is on a Malleable, especially with that Craftsmanship.

Frankly, if your goal is getting T3 as quickly as possible without trying to maximise the quality bar then this works better (Working on points per hour, as opposed to least # of crafts). The only caveat being that it uses TtV:



With respect to resplendent tools, and more in the budget range, or even very much entry set on 6.3 then something such as this works too. I've yet to find a better one on minimalist stats on my forays of playing how low can you go. This basically needs Spec + Calamari + Cunning Drought, with a baseline of 573CP. In fact, I'd be interested if this can be beat at these stats, or lower.

[Liam_Harper]

That's a fair point. Also worth noting my Resplendent C Macro is missing the Malleable protection so important to add some Final Appraisal in. I like it for being slightly shorter and not needing Draught, but it does take a high stat investment. I think you've just about pushed the limits for budget stats, I can't see any way to improve on yours.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Someone told me 2 rotations from Reddit.

One was for Stage A & B:

Part 1:
/ac Reflect <wait.3>
/ac Manipulation <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Manipulation <wait.2>

Part 2:
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac Veneration <wait.2>
/ac Groundwork <wait.3>
/ac Groundwork <wait.3>
/ac Groundwork <wait.3>
/ac "Heart and Soul" <wait.3>
/ac "Intensive Synthesis" <wait.3>

I briefly tested it on Trial Syn, and it seems to work quite well with my stats.

The other one was for Stage C, and it sucked on my stats. So I'm not gonna post here.

Seriously, if someone who doesn't know how to do Expert Recipes manually picks up these macros, it's gonna lure them through some easy Stage A & B, and then they'll be forced into overmelding to their teeth just to macro out the last Stage C. And in the end, they won't know a thing about how to craft using conditions... So yeah... I'd only recommend the above rotation to those who know what they're doing...

Anyway, Liam, thanks for your input earlier. I think the above rotation from Reddit starts off with Reflect for the reason of doing progress last in order to avoid pre-mature completion, which is reasonable... But as I have already finished all 8 tools, I'm not gonna bother with testing out more macros at this point. I'm just gonna patiently wait until the new Expert Recipes of EW comes

[Silverbane]

Super-Sayan mode for DoH.

[NanaWiloh]

Camie the resplendent crafter <3

[CirenInus]

Congrats.

oooo that looks fun im going to try this 30+ step macro lol