Make it prohibited activity to sell a FC

[Besame]

Cash site sales may be illegal but are not enforced. I have the occasional buyer hitting my message book saying they have cash to buy if I am interested.

[Jojoya]

What's the difference?

Hoarding the whole ward with the intent of selling them later to make money/gil.
Hoarding the whole ward with the intent of garden/workshop farming to make money/gil.

Are you following me? There are tons of ways to make gills in this game, why do you have to choose the one that take enjoyment out of 59 others people. That's just griefing

I understand it's a problem but the post you quoted had been about proving intent to sell a house.

What you posted didn't prove that.

The hoarding of workshop and garden access might still be a problem but it's also unfortunately within the rules of the game due to loopholes in in the rules that SE has chosen not to address. Proving someone is hoarding is pointless when it's allowed. What we need to do is convince SE to fix the rules so it's no longer allowed.

[Nepentha]

I understand it's a problem but the post you quoted had been about proving intent to sell a house.

What you posted didn't prove that.

The hoarding of workshop and garden access might still be a problem but it's also unfortunately within the rules of the game due to loopholes in in the rules that SE has chosen not to address. Proving someone is hoarding is pointless when it's allowed. What we need to do is convince SE to fix the rules so it's no longer allowed.

Jojoya is right. What I'd like to see happen is for them to finally read the reports that are sent in and act on them.

The botter/RMTer I've been watching has won every single house that opens on Balmung in the last three weeks. Every. One. He has them all listed on his RMT webpage, anywhere from 350 to 250 euros. Considering there are usually dozens if not hundreds of people at these clickfests, I find it slightly suspicious that he's managed to win all of them.

He's been reported dozens if not hundreds of times at this point and yet he's still carrying on with impunity.

Which makes its clear to me that SE isn't monitoring the situation at all or reading reports sent in about him to their RMT report webpage. It's the same 8 characters constantly winning houses, appointing new FC masters (the buyers) and then reforming into new FCs the next day to do it all over again. This is easy to track, I do it without any of SE's internal reports, I just use the lodestone. There is 0 excuse for this to have gone on this long without any action on their part.

[DeNada]

Jojoya is right. What I'd like to see happen is for them to finally read the reports that are sent in and act on them.

The botter/RMTer I've been watching has won every single house that opens on Balmung in the last three weeks. Every. One. He has them all listed on his RMT webpage, anywhere from 350 to 250 euros. Considering there are usually dozens if not hundreds of people at these clickfests, I find it slightly suspicious that he's managed to win all of them.

He's been reported dozens if not hundreds of times at this point and yet he's still carrying on with impunity.

Which makes its clear to me that SE isn't monitoring the situation at all or reading reports sent in about him to their RMT report webpage. It's the same 8 characters constantly winning houses, appointing new FC masters (the buyers) and then reforming into new FCs the next day to do it all over again. This is easy to track, I do it without any of SE's internal reports, I just use the lodestone. There is 0 excuse for this to have gone on this long without any action on their part.

Have hope my friend. Once 6.1 is launched, botters like this person will be out of business and forced to quit.

They won't just not be able to mass bot placard clicking, in addition, their usual tactics of immediately reforming a FC to bid for new plots will be nullified since each member of the FC has to be in it for at least 30 days before they are eligible to submit a bid.

Their days are numbered and are already counting down so as to speak.

[UkcsAlias]

Which makes its clear to me that SE isn't monitoring the situation at all or reading reports sent in about him to their RMT report webpage. It's the same 8 characters constantly winning houses, appointing new FC masters (the buyers) and then reforming into new FCs the next day to do it all over again. This is easy to track, I do it without any of SE's internal reports, I just use the lodestone. There is 0 excuse for this to have gone on this long without any action on their part.

The simple reason is that using VPN's and dummy bank accounts you can cover up a lot. So the buyer might not be directly linked to the RMT trader.

Even the mention of a plot on such site is on that not a guarantee, because once RMT traders are aware of that, they could even abuse that to kick someone out of a house (and this allows then to threaten players from kicking them out of a house, which is even worse). And not just that, they could even already do that now to just grab interest. The moment you want to go for such house, it then just suddenly says it sold.

Its a lot harder to track these things than it might appear.

And the only real counter to this would be if SE would sell these themselve (for money), and have an infinite supply (which i think is currently the real problem). Because then RMT only has 1 way to compete against that (price), which is in many cases not that beneficial because of scam potential.

[Nepentha]

The simple reason is that using VPN's and dummy bank accounts you can cover up a lot. So the buyer might not be directly linked to the RMT trader.

Even the mention of a plot on such site is on that not a guarantee, because once RMT traders are aware of that, they could even abuse that to kick someone out of a house (and this allows then to threaten players from kicking them out of a house, which is even worse). And not just that, they could even already do that now to just grab interest. The moment you want to go for such house, it then just suddenly says it sold.

Its a lot harder to track these things than it might appear.

And the only real counter to this would be if SE would sell these themselve (for money), and have an infinite supply (which i think is currently the real problem). Because then RMT only has 1 way to compete against that (price), which is in many cases not that beneficial because of scam potential.

It's actually not that difficult. The lodestone is permanent, I am part of the housing discord so I know what plots demolish when, and exactly when they sell and who won them at that moment. The lodestone reveals who is in an FC, when they leave, and who abruptly becomes the new owner. It aligns with the RMT website's addition of new plots for sale. Not rocket science to determine who is and isn't buying housing solely for the purpose of reselling it. RMT or gil, it's still against the ToS.

[Basteala]

Make it so you have to own the house for 6 months to transfer ownership.

Make it so you have to be a tenant/member for 6 months of the house to receive ownership

[Jojoya]

Make it so you have to own the house for 6 months to transfer ownership.

Make it so you have to be a tenant/member for 6 months of the house to receive ownership

That's going to cause problems for legitimate FCs if their FC Master has a real life situation interfering with their ability to play.

Already cannot transfer ownership of a personal house to a tenant so that's a non-issue.

[Kyssa]

Make it so you have to own the house for 6 months to transfer ownership.

Make it so you have to be a tenant/member for 6 months of the house to receive ownership

The people selling FC's are no longer going to be employing the "sell and leave" method.
The new method going forward is to find a buyer, bring buyer into FC- and delete the seller's FC leader, therefore bypassing the 30 day timer- because the new recruit will simply inherit the plot.

Yeah, they're dim enough that they've posted about this on public Discords/sites. I hope it bites 'em square in the tuchus.

[Kuroka]

I hope in that case an fc would just get deleted and the plot lost....