Make it prohibited activity to sell a FC

[Themarvin]

Pretty much, make it a forbidden activity to sell plots that way, because the FC seller sharks is likely to get as many tickets put in as possible during upcoming housing frenzy that would be like this even WITH lottery.

They will be there and it is organised work, SE, you can address this before it goes live.

Else you will see FC's for sale for real life cash on sites... and also... you guys could browse through these sites and then just strip whatever person for ingame property, if engaged in such activity.

[Catstab]

SE already made a change where 'purchasing a plot with intent to sell' has become a prohibited activity.

That means that purchasing from the placard (or even possible another player) and moving directly to looking for a buyer is already disallowed. Ostensibly, it is still permitted to eventually sell for gil an FC that was originally purchased for use as a social FC, a workshop fc, or part of a decorator's collection. This can be a very good thing, as it allows players who have put time and effort into their FCs to reclaim some gil for those efforts before transferring servers.

"Cash site" sales as you mention are already very much illegal. The only real life currency you should ever redeem playing ff14 should be via mog station and your game subscription.

[HuaTuo]

so as long as you didn't purchase the plot with intent to sell it later, all is good. Intent is very difficult to prove. If I don't get lucky buying my plot, I may consider "persuading" someone to sell me their fc. Maybe they will be surprised by the amount I might offer and despite originally having no intent of selling, they would do so to boost their own portfolio of glams and other must-haves in limsa dweller lives lol.

[Nepentha]

Pretty much, make it a forbidden activity to sell plots that way, because the FC seller sharks is likely to get as many tickets put in as possible during upcoming housing frenzy that would be like this even WITH lottery.

They will be there and it is organised work, SE, you can address this before it goes live.

Else you will see FC's for sale for real life cash on sites... and also... you guys could browse through these sites and then just strip whatever person for ingame property, if engaged in such activity.

How about instead of this we ask SE to actually enforce their own rules regarding the resale of FCs. I've been monitoring one particularly egregious seller since January. I know dozens of reports have been filed on them. And yet they just in the last two days won /another/ house and sold it almost immediately (probably as RMT).

[Jojoya]

Pretty much, make it a forbidden activity to sell plots that way, because the FC seller sharks is likely to get as many tickets put in as possible during upcoming housing frenzy that would be like this even WITH lottery.

They will be there and it is organised work, SE, you can address this before it goes live.

Else you will see FC's for sale for real life cash on sites... and also... you guys could browse through these sites and then just strip whatever person for ingame property, if engaged in such activity.

All RMT is already prohibited.

Just because something is prohibited doesn't stop anyone from doing it if they want to. They're simply taking the chance they won't get caught, SE won't be able to obtain what they consider sufficient proof, or that the punishment will be negligible.

so as long as you didn't purchase the plot with intent to sell it later, all is good. Intent is very difficult to prove. If I don't get lucky buying my plot, I may consider "persuading" someone to sell me their fc. Maybe they will be surprised by the amount I might offer and despite originally having no intent of selling, they would do so to boost their own portfolio of glams and other must-haves in limsa dweller lives lol.

Intent isn't necessarily that difficult to prove. Use of plot (or rather lack thereof) and length of ownership, changes in FC membership, etc. can be used to divine intent.

If a rank 6 FC with 4 members and a level 1 FC master buys a plot, never constructs the estate hall or never does anything with the plot after its construction, adds a new member shortly after purchase while removing the other members (except FC master) then the new member is made FC Master after a month, the intent was clearly to sell.

How about instead of this we ask SE to actually enforce their own rules regarding the resale of FCs. I've been monitoring one particularly egregious seller since January. I know dozens of reports have been filed on them. And yet they just in the last two days won /another/ house and sold it almost immediately (probably as RMT).

This is another situation where SE needs to hit the buyers as hard if not harder than the sellers.

Sellers exist because people are willing to buy. Remove one seller and another seller will appear in their place.

Remove the buyers, and make it openly known you are doing so, and buyers start disappearing because they don't want to waste their money just to lose what they bought.

When there's no one willing to buy, there's no point in being a seller.

[Elevin]

How about instead of this we ask SE to actually enforce their own rules regarding the resale of FCs. I've been monitoring one particularly egregious seller since January. I know dozens of reports have been filed on them. And yet they just in the last two days won /another/ house and sold it almost immediately (probably as RMT).

WOW. People very rarely pass leadership on in MMOs in general or have drastic changes in memberships (unless doing a clear out of inactive players) That sort of activity should immediately be a red flag. It's surprising nothing has been done about this.

*new person joins FC, and is immediately promoted to leader8... suspect.

[Heh]

so as long as you didn't purchase the plot with intent to sell it later, all is good. Intent is very difficult to prove. If I don't get lucky buying my plot, I may consider "persuading" someone to sell me their fc. Maybe they will be surprised by the amount I might offer and despite originally having no intent of selling, they would do so to boost their own portfolio of glams and other must-haves in limsa dweller lives lol.

Not that difficult, me as a normal user, I can already tell their intents



GM with proper tools and logs, they definitely can do much more, if they are willing to analyze the properties' logs/history regularly

[Jojoya]

Not that difficult, me as a normal user, I can already tell their intents



GM with proper tools and logs, they definitely can do much more, if they are willing to analyze the properties' logs/history regularly

That's not an intent to sell those properties. They (and other groups like them) have been there for quite a while now. If the intent was to sell them, most would already be gone.

What you're seeing is an intent for garden/workshop farming to earn gil (whether or not that gil is funding RMT is a different matter).

[Heh]

That's not an intent to sell those properties. They (and other groups like them) have been there for quite a while now. If the intent was to sell them, most would already be gone.

What you're seeing is an intent for garden/workshop farming to earn gil (whether or not that gil is funding RMT is a different matter).

What's the difference?

Hoarding the whole ward with the intent of selling them later to make money/gil.
Hoarding the whole ward with the intent of garden/workshop farming to make money/gil.

Are you following me? There are tons of ways to make gills in this game, why do you have to choose the one that take enjoyment out of 59 others people. That's just griefing

[Nepentha]

This is another situation where SE needs to hit the buyers as hard if not harder than the sellers.

Sellers exist because people are willing to buy. Remove one seller and another seller will appear in their place.

Remove the buyers, and make it openly known you are doing so, and buyers start disappearing because they don't want to waste their money just to lose what they bought.

When there's no one willing to buy, there's no point in being a seller.

I would love to see both. Hell I'd love to see /any/ sign they actually do enforce their own rules. As it stands, I know of multiple botters. Some are just resellers, others sell housing for RMT. For years they've been at it, and reported hundreds of times. Nothing has been done to stop them, or discourage people from buying from them.