Trick Attack

[Manofpassion]

Well, making trick personal is certainly one way to weaken its contribution to the party, for it now longer exists. The devs will need to try a lot harder and think of more creative ways to do such a thing to satisfy most ninja players. Before they actually work on such a solution, I rather have what we currently have instead of their proposed change. If trick attack is too strong in the devs eyes, reduce how much it buffs, maybe to 4 or 3%, and buffing other skills such as the potency of raiju or dwad. The devs are professionals, I'm sure they can think of much better ideas instead of just making trick a personal buff. Using mug as the new raid buff just screams lazy. I think most ninjas are now asking for a clear direction for the job, and these numerous changes do not inspire confidence.

Once again, logs are an afterthought to the majority of the playerbase. If current trick makes the boss die faster, that is a win. Speed is the only metric that matters. If fflogs gives the edge of shadows during trick to the ninja instead, who cares. It'll improve your parse by like 0.2%. Team game, if the boss dies quicker the ninja is rewarded by being able to do something else instead of raiding

[Kazimere]

Well, making trick personal is certainly one way to weaken its contribution to the party, for it now longer exists. The devs will need to try a lot harder and think of more creative ways to do such a thing to satisfy most ninja players. Before they actually work on such a solution, I rather have what we currently have instead of their proposed change. If trick attack is too strong in the devs eyes, reduce how much it buffs, maybe to 4 or 3%, and buffing other skills such as the potency of raiju or dwad. The devs are professionals, I'm sure they can think of much better ideas instead of just making trick a personal buff. Using mug as the new raid buff just screams lazy. I think most ninjas are now asking for a clear direction for the job, and these numerous changes do not inspire confidence.

Once again, logs are an afterthought to the majority of the playerbase. If current trick makes the boss die faster, that is a win. Speed is the only metric that matters. If fflogs gives the edge of shadows during trick to the ninja instead, who cares. It'll improve your parse by like 0.2%. Team game, if the boss dies quicker the ninja is rewarded by being able to do something else instead of raiding

You can reasonably infer that is what they are trying to do. Could it be wrong? Sure, but it's not likely. So, when people screech (I'm not saying you are specifically) that they like it the way it is because they like the feel and what not, they are just shooting themselves in the foot.

Logs are not an after thought. They are merely the representation of everything you are talking about. If it is indeed true that the majority of the player base doesn't care about logs, then they either don't understand what logs represent, or they outright don't care about their own performance or the performance of others in a team event.

[Manofpassion]

Nope, I'm screeching, and proud of it. Only reason I bothered to start a forums account is so I can add my voice to the numerous displeased ninja players. If square only cares about the numbers and logs like you suggest, and not the gameplay feel that ninjas enjoy, so be it. I am a subpar raider, but I can say that I only raid because I enjoy taking ninja's gameplay and feel into various hard content. If they want to alienate casual ninja raiders like me, it's their perogative.

Square from what I have seen doesn't really put gameplay enjoyment first anyway, with the summoner rework isolating many old summoners. I see no reason their philosophy will change just for ninja, but a man can dream.

I'm still pretty sure fflogs an afterthought to most people. I doubt the average sprout still in hw, or the party rpers really care about their parse in extremes. They play to have fun, as do I. If ffxiv is oriented to a more casual audience, I hope they care about what we find fun.

[Kazimere]

Nope, I'm screeching, and proud of it. Only reason I bothered to start a forums account is so I can add my voice to the numerous displeased ninja players. If square only cares about the numbers and logs like you suggest, and not the gameplay feel that ninjas enjoy, so be it. I am a subpar raider, but I can say that I only raid because I enjoy taking ninja's gameplay and feel into various hard content. If they want to alienate casual ninja raiders like me, it's their perogative.
Square from what I have seen doesn't really put gameplay enjoyment first anyway, with the summoner rework isolating many old summoners. I see no reason their philosophy will change just for ninja, but a man can dream.

Just stop. Of course they care about game play and feel. I never implied that they didn't. Clearly, they also care about other things. Congratulations on screeching like an emotional child. Let me know how that works out for you.

[Manofpassion]

I sure hope it works, and that I am proven wrong about square caring about gameplay and feel. Ninja has its problems, for sure. It can 100% be improved upon. But all the ninjas, like me complaining in this thread, are passionate about the job and what we see as its one minute buff identity. We enjoy what square has done so far, and we do not want to see them throw it all away. It's just as simple as that really. If the changes go through, I know I will still play the job, for I really love ninja. But I definitely won't enjoy it as much as i did before.