Trick Attack

[Manofpassion]

People just don't get it. They only care about numbers and balance. I am by no means a good ninja player, but I find trick attack fun. I find mashing everything into trick attack fun. I find allowing my party to take advantage of my trick during odd minutes fun. I enjoy the “challenge” of keeping my tricks on time every minute to help my party do more damage fun. This hurts my enjoyment of the job, and what a lot of players find fun about the job. Im not a slave to damage and balance and logs. I just like the job.

And the fact people still say "they haven't cut it out entirely". They kept the icon and the name of the move, but they have changed the purpose of the move, and what the move does. You think drk's old delirium is still in the game just because the name is still around? it if looks like a duck, or doesn't look like a duck rather, it's not a duck. If you keep the animation for communio and the name but make it a healing spell, that's not the same move

Also if square really does balance the game around fflogs, I will be very amused. The guys at fflogs better get a paycheck from yoshida every month if they do half of their job for them. Square's balancing team being slaves to a formula people came up with on the Internet is just funny.

[Kazimere]

People just don't get it. They only care about numbers and balance. I am by no means a good ninja player, but I find trick attack fun. I find mashing everything into trick attack fun. I find allowing my party to take advantage of my trick during odd minutes fun. I enjoy the “challenge” of keeping my tricks on time every minute to help my party do more damage fun. This hurts my enjoyment of the job, and what a lot of players find fun about the job. Im not a slave to damage and balance and logs. I just like the job.

And the fact people still say "they haven't cut it out entirely". They kept the icon and the name of the move, but they have changed the purpose of the move, and what the move does. You think drk's old delirium is still in the game just because the name is still around? it if looks like a duck, or doesn't look like a duck rather, it's not a duck. If you keep the animation for communion and the name but make it a healing spell, that's not the same move

Also if square really does balance the game around fflogs, I will be very amused. The guys at fflogs better get a paycheck from yoshida every month if they do half of their job for them.

Are you not helping out your party by using TA properly and pumping out more personal damage? You just aren’t relying on your party to maximize it every 60s now. I don’t see the issue.

People screech incessantly over FFlogs (usually incorrectly). You think they don’t take that into account and balance around it? Come on, man.

[Manofpassion]

Me can buff party. Me enjoy buffing party. Apes together strong. Ninja is buff job, remove buff, ninjas sad.

If the devs ever remove dance partner and devilment but increase saber dance to do 200 more potency, the personal dps slaves are gonna be nose deep in yoshida. They literally can not fathom that some people like jobs that have powerful or interesting buffs in exchange for less personal dps. Why have any buffs at all? just make all your moves do more damage 4head

Although if square cares about fflogs because of people screeching, that gives me hope. I will screech even louder here so square will know that they are making a dumb decision

[RyuDragnier]

Me can buff party. Me enjoy buffing party. Apes together strong. Ninja is buff job, remove buff, ninjas sad.

If the devs ever remove dance partner and devilment but increase saber dance to do 200 more potency, the personal dps slaves are gonna be nose deep in yoshida. They literally can not fathom that some people like jobs that have powerful or interesting buffs in exchange for less personal dps. Why have any buffs at all? just make all your moves do more damage 4head

Although if square cares about fflogs because of people screeching, that gives me hope. I will screech even louder here so square will know that they are making a dumb decision

The difference is mostly the shift in how the devs see the jobs. NIN was for the longest the "support" melee DPS. It was the only one of its kind, and is one of the hardest melee to play for very little payout. They may have decided that it was either dumb down the gameplay and take things out of NIN (which would have enraged people more), or just bring it in line with other melee DPS without having to gut the kit.

[dadong]

The difference is mostly the shift in how the devs see the jobs. NIN was for the longest the "support" melee DPS. It was the only one of its kind, and is one of the hardest melee to play for very little payout. They may have decided that it was either dumb down the gameplay and take things out of NIN (which would have enraged people more), or just bring it in line with other melee DPS without having to gut the kit.

This is one hill I'm willing to die on when it comes to squares decision. I 100% disagree that all jobs should be easy enough and accessible to all players. There should be varying difficulties for jobs ranging from easier to harder so they can actually appeal to the majority of their players. I can by no means play black mage or monks perfectly but the fact that there is a imo a very difficult job in the game adds to my enjoyment rather than detracts.

[Manofpassion]

As far as I'm concerned, changing trick to what they are proposing is gutting the kit. I know square wants to bring all the Melee dps in line and homogenise everything like they have with the Healers, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I will screech as much as possible in the hopes they will listen to feedback. I love this job, in its current state. I love trick. I will try my damndest to stop it from happening, even if I know its fruitless.

[RyuDragnier]

This is one hill I'm willing to die on when it comes to squares decision. I 100% disagree that all jobs should be easy enough and accessible to all players. There should be varying difficulties for jobs ranging from easier to harder so they can actually appeal to the majority of their players. I can by no means play black mage or monks perfectly but the fact that there is a imo a very difficult job in the game adds to my enjoyment rather than detracts.

Luckily they are not removing anything from Ninja, just moving the raidwide buff from TA to Mug. Meaning the entirety of the kit is still there.

As far as I'm concerned, changing trick to what they are proposing is gutting the kit. I know square wants to bring all the Melee dps in line and homogenise everything like they have with the Healers, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I will screech as much as possible in the hopes they will listen to feedback. I love this job, in its current state. I love trick. I will try my damndest to stop it from happening, even if I know its fruitless.

No, this is not gutting, this will never be gutting. You want to know what real gutting looks like? DRK going from HW to SB lost their second attack combo (the original Delirium). They lost their DoT (Scourge). Reprisal and Low Blow were removed from DRK and made role skills, and Dark Dance was removed from DRK to be made into a role action skill that was removed from the game in ShB. Those are off the top of my head. Do not EVER call moving the raidwide buff to Mug gutting the kit, that is nothing more than changing where on your skills the buff is.

[aloneatsea]

Luckily they are not removing anything from Ninja, just moving the raidwide buff from TA to Mug. Meaning the entirety of the kit is still there.

It isn't though? Moving from a 1min buff to a 2min buff is a huge change, and homogeanizes the job. A part of my kit that I enjoy -- the 1 minute party buff -- is going away. Hence, my dissatisfaction with the changes.

[Manofpassion]

Luckily they are not removing anything from Ninja, just moving the raidwide buff from TA to Mug. Meaning the entirety of the kit is still there.


No, this is not gutting, this will never be gutting. You want to know what real gutting looks like? DRK going from HW to SB lost their second attack combo (the original Delirium). They lost their DoT (Scourge). Reprisal and Low Blow were removed from DRK and made role skills, and Dark Dance was removed from DRK to be made into a role action skill that was removed from the game in ShB. Those are off the top of my head. Do not EVER call moving the raidwide buff to Mug gutting the kit, that is nothing more than changing where on your skills the buff is.

Nah, I think I'll keep calling it what it is. Just because drk had it worse doesn't mean ninja isn't being screwed over. Too bad for drk players, but I really don't care

[baklava151]

The difference is mostly the shift in how the devs see the jobs. NIN was for the longest the "support" melee DPS. It was the only one of its kind, and is one of the hardest melee to play for very little payout. They may have decided that it was either dumb down the gameplay and take things out of NIN (which would have enraged people more), or just bring it in line with other melee DPS without having to gut the kit.

Honestly I kinda saw this coming since NIN was the one outlier, just didn't expect it until 7.0.