Trick Attack

[Manofpassion]

We have made ninja's raid buff 120 secs in order to promote synergy. Now dark knights and every class that can pool resources can't synergise with trick and can just mash buttons. Please look forward to it.

[angienessyo]

Really the only thing I'm annoyed about is they're making this big change right before an Ultimate when the only reason I didn't raid this tier on NIN was I didn't feel like relearning muscle memory for the savage tier. Gonna need them to stop dropping major NIN changes when new content drops.

As for my feelings on trick changing? I mean, as long as they properly compensate us damage wise it's fine. Trick has long been a thorn in our side in terms of how Square balances us. We're either disgustingly strong because everyone is pumping big damage into trick which makes our rdps look great, or we're so weak people lock us out of joining their PFs. There's like, no in between for how we've been the past 2 expacs. We have long since lost our identity as a support dps when they gutted all our utility at the start of Shadowbringers. (anyone remember goad, shadewalker and smoke screen?)

This also has the added benefit of making us better with more casual groups. My static finished reclears forever ago so I've been assisting my much more casual friends with getting them through the tier. They all want me on my NIN even though I did this tier on RDM (I've cleared 2 ultimates+3 tiers on NIN+plan on doing DSU on it though so I still know what I'm doing). And boy, nothing makes you feel helpless quite like being a BiS NIN and seeing your friends not lining up buffs correctly so your trick is completely useless. In those situations I'd be more useful as literally any other melee that'd bring a lot more damage. I would imagine the trick change will mitigate this issue a lot, we shouldn't only be useful in more serious statics.

I've played NIN since Stormblood and trick attack has never been its identity for me and we never should have been defined by a single buff. The mudras and quick gameplay are why I enjoy the job. I don't really care what they do with it as long as it retains what I like about it. The only time I have ever dropped this job was at the start of EW because doing a million animation locked gap closers wasn't fun for me. So I'll wait and see what the balance changes look like. I don't really care if people that don't play NIN aren't happy about it.

[dadong]

besides the whole 1min to 2 min change for ninja. I really dislike making mug the raid buff. It feels like they're shoehorning it in to the ability because they're unwilling to properly reorganize ninja into a 2 min job and decided to throw the raid buff into the next available closest ability and let the players figure it out.
Again if they feel like ninja should be a 2 min job they should have made trick attack 2 mins and maybe have that the headliner for a expansion and not a patch 4 months in to and expansion.

[Kazimere]

We have made ninja's raid buff 120 secs in order to promote synergy. Now dark knights and every class that can pool resources can't synergise with trick and can just mash buttons. Please look forward to it.

That would matter if flogs actually gave the damage to the person maximizing things during TA. As it stands, everything is given to the Ninja, and that is garbage.

[Manofpassion]

Take it up with the people in charge of fflogs then. I'm only complaining here for the small chance the devs care about what the eng nin community has to say. If the game is being balanced around what the fflogs team does, that would be hilarious. Drks and whatever class with resources don't take advantage of trick for the logs, they do it to increase party dps lmao

It's a team game

[Kazimere]

Take it up with the people in charge of fflogs then. I'm only complaining here for the small chance the devs care about what the eng nin community has to say. If the game is being balanced around what the fflogs team does, that would be hilarious. Drks and whatever class with resources don't take advantage of trick for the logs, they do it to increase party dps lmao

It's a team game

So how is that going to hurt anything? The damage will just go to the ninja now, as it will output more on its own.

TA moved from a raid buff into a personal buff. That is a good thing, imo. Especially considering Ninja could swing wildly on its contribution depending on composition. Additionally, the haven’t cut it out entirely. They just moved it to a 120 and shifted the skill that applies it.

[Manofpassion]

People just don't get it. They only care about numbers and balance. I am by no means a good ninja player, but I find trick attack fun. I find mashing everything into trick attack fun. I find allowing my party to take advantage of my trick during odd minutes fun. I enjoy the “challenge” of keeping my tricks on time every minute to help my party do more damage fun. This hurts my enjoyment of the job, and what a lot of players find fun about the job. Im not a slave to damage and balance and logs. I just like the job.

And the fact people still say "they haven't cut it out entirely". They kept the icon and the name of the move, but they have changed the purpose of the move, and what the move does. You think drk's old delirium is still in the game just because the name is still around? it if looks like a duck, or doesn't look like a duck rather, it's not a duck. If you keep the animation for communio and the name but make it a healing spell, that's not the same move

Also if square really does balance the game around fflogs, I will be very amused. The guys at fflogs better get a paycheck from yoshida every month if they do half of their job for them. Square's balancing team being slaves to a formula people came up with on the Internet is just funny.

[Kazimere]

People just don't get it. They only care about numbers and balance. I am by no means a good ninja player, but I find trick attack fun. I find mashing everything into trick attack fun. I find allowing my party to take advantage of my trick during odd minutes fun. I enjoy the “challenge” of keeping my tricks on time every minute to help my party do more damage fun. This hurts my enjoyment of the job, and what a lot of players find fun about the job. Im not a slave to damage and balance and logs. I just like the job.

And the fact people still say "they haven't cut it out entirely". They kept the icon and the name of the move, but they have changed the purpose of the move, and what the move does. You think drk's old delirium is still in the game just because the name is still around? it if looks like a duck, or doesn't look like a duck rather, it's not a duck. If you keep the animation for communion and the name but make it a healing spell, that's not the same move

Also if square really does balance the game around fflogs, I will be very amused. The guys at fflogs better get a paycheck from yoshida every month if they do half of their job for them.

Are you not helping out your party by using TA properly and pumping out more personal damage? You just aren’t relying on your party to maximize it every 60s now. I don’t see the issue.

People screech incessantly over FFlogs (usually incorrectly). You think they don’t take that into account and balance around it? Come on, man.

[Manofpassion]

Me can buff party. Me enjoy buffing party. Apes together strong. Ninja is buff job, remove buff, ninjas sad.

If the devs ever remove dance partner and devilment but increase saber dance to do 200 more potency, the personal dps slaves are gonna be nose deep in yoshida. They literally can not fathom that some people like jobs that have powerful or interesting buffs in exchange for less personal dps. Why have any buffs at all? just make all your moves do more damage 4head

Although if square cares about fflogs because of people screeching, that gives me hope. I will screech even louder here so square will know that they are making a dumb decision

[Theihe]

People just don't get it. They only care about numbers and balance. I am by no means a good ninja player, but I find trick attack fun. I find mashing everything into trick attack fun.

And nothing will change for you. You will still use everything you have under Trick. Going by the little information we got so far this changes NOTHING for the NIN rotation outside of keeping Mug on cooldown as opposed to allowing it to drift slightly (unless they change our Ninki generation)