the normal content is too easy

[MintnHoney]

Would you rather we get only 1 raid update every 12 months instead? Or how about no raid updates for 3 years like swtor and when it finally did get one it was a single boss and the rest of the raid was added in piece by piece over the course of a year?

You mean like the Ultimate fights, e.g. the one that was pushed back or cut (depending on how they actually handle developing them going forward), that healers are supposed to do in order to feel any sense of engagement?

surveys.

You mention "surveys" several times in your post. The only official surveys, for Final Fantasy XIV, were for how people felt the December 2021 Fan Fest was handled, and a Japanese-only survey that ended in February 2022, which asked about your favorite characters and story moments. As far as I'm aware, there have been no other official surveys announced. A quick internet search doesn't bring up anyone talking about any random surveys, especially any surveys asking anything like "tell us how you feel about job design, on a scale of 1 to 10."
Why are you under the impression that there are surveys involved in their decision-making at all?

[HyoMinPark]

I'm saying that the decision maker, SE, has the proof that they themselves have gathered through random surveys that cover the entire population, and they've been making the decisions they've been making. Make of that what you will.


I don't need proof because I'm not the one asking SE to do anything other than what they've already done and are continuing to do. The proof is in the decisions that SE has made based on their surveys.

And do you have any proof that they are using surveys to make informed decisions? Because unless you do, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on with your argument here.

[Ronduwil]

And do you have any proof that they are using surveys to make informed decisions? Because unless you do, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on with your argument here.

I guess I was just imagining this:

SE has a survey to give feedback on their games and all that junk. They have several questions regarding FF14 and one or two asking if people would be interested in a new MMO. If you're interested, the link is below.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/SQUAREREF

actually SE really did make this they even posted that same link on FB

[kpxmanifesto]

They didn't choose to ignore it. They intentionally designed it that way. The "bottom of the bell curve player" spends just as much on their monthly sub as the top of the bell curve player. Making content for both ends of the curve is a wise decision. The bottom of the bell curve doesn't enjoy extreme and savage raiding, and that's OK. The top of the bell curve player may be bored with the MSQ fights, and that's OK. To each their own.

I'm gonna disagree on this. Sure you can make content for both ends of the curve, but when you make the final boss of an expansion (norm Thordan) still designed for bottom tier players, it makes the victory feel very hollow. Important MSQ boss fights should be balanced around the lowest common denominator - the average player. Not bottom tier players. Sprouts with no mmo experience aren't the average player.

[HyoMinPark]

I guess I was just imagining this:

The link you quoted doesn’t lead to anything.

Unless that survey had questions that concerned job balance, job design, and content design, then I don’t see how it could be used to make informed decisions on progressively dumbing them all down. Assuming they even take any of the responses into consideration.

[Ronduwil]

I'm gonna disagree on this. Sure you can make content for both ends of the curve, but when you make the final boss of an expansion (norm Thordan) still designed for bottom tier players, it makes the victory feel very hollow. Important MSQ boss fights should be balanced around the lowest common denominator - the average player. Not bottom tier players. Sprouts with no mmo experience aren't the average player.

With respect to the Heavensward expansion, they are. How many FFXIV vets in 2022 are still stuck on Thordan? Of those players, how many you would refer to as top tier? It's utterly ridiculous for you to state that sprout content from three expansions ago shouldn't be targeted at sprouts with no MMO experience.

[ForteNightshade]

I don't need proof because I'm not the one asking SE to do anything other than what they've already done and are continuing to do. The proof is in the decisions that SE has made based on their surveys.

You do realize this is the same SE who were completely baffled by Bard's utterly dominance for two full expansions only to admit they never balanced it (or Machinist) around the Piercing DPS, yes? Or the same SE who insisted Lilies were completely fine throughout Stormblood only to cave in Shadowbringers when people were advising new White Mage players to literally take their gauge and throw it away because Lilies were that useless? By the way, players told Yoshida at the media tour this was a problem. How about with Endwalker right now where Machinist has been left to rot for the entire tier because it's damage was so hilariously low it can't compete with Dancer.

Suffice it to say, SE has a lengthily track record showing the precise opposite of this supposed "proof".

[kpxmanifesto]

How many FFXIV vets in 2022 are still stuck on Thordan? Of those players, how many you would refer to as top tier?

Did I make any mention of this? Where are these questions coming from?

It's utterly ridiculous for you to state that sprout content from three expansions ago shouldn't be targeted at sprouts with no MMO experience.

Let's be real man. Not even sprouts struggle with Thordan.

[Jebatus]

Exactly i find incredibly pathetic you can ignore 90% of mechanics in normal content and just press 1 2 3 and get thru the game since the game never dared to make you earn anything.
I also despize doing dungeos at this point in endgame for tomes since its just too easy to get thru, it feels like a chore and its not fun.
If the normal content was designed with the dificulty of bozja where you actualy needed to know basic of your job to prevail that would be great. I dont want much, i just dont want to fall asleep when im not playing extremes or savage.

[Ath192]

I also despize doing dungeos at this point in endgame for tomes since its just too easy to get thru, it feels like a chore and its not fun.
If the normal content was designed with the dificulty of bozja where you actualy needed to know basic of your job to prevail that would be great. I dont want much, i just dont want to fall asleep when im not playing extremes or savage.

So much truth. And yes, Bozja is the perfect example (pre-nerfs) of a great level of difficulty, nothing too hard, but engaging and fun. unfortunately it suffered from some queueing in problems but the difficulty was perfect. Nothing savage level.