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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    You are the minority, sorry, not sorry. Most people find the MSQ way too simple and its a common complaint everywhere when this game is brought up.
    She is not the minority. Maybe on these forums that are predominantly used by players who lean toward the hardcore side, but there are literally millions of players who have never touched these forums, the Balance Discord, and/or your raiding FC that side with her. If she's in the minority, why do so many players take off their clothes when queueing for the Alliance Raid roulette? You can't tell me that they're doing it because they want more of a challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    She is not the minority. Maybe on these forums that are predominantly used by players who lean toward the hardcore side, but there are literally millions of players who have never touched these forums, the Balance Discord, and/or your raiding FC that side with her. If she's in the minority, why do so many players take off their clothes when queueing for the Alliance Raid roulette? You can't tell me that they're doing it because they want more of a challenge.

    You pointing out that people on the forums/the balance/reddit/etc aren't the majority doesn't make the people who think the game is "too hard" or "perfect" not the minority.

    You're saying "You're wrong because you don't have proof." and "I'm right despite not having proof."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    She is not the minority. Maybe on these forums that are predominantly used by players who lean toward the hardcore side, but there are literally millions of players who have never touched these forums, the Balance Discord, and/or your raiding FC that side with her. If she's in the minority, why do so many players take off their clothes when queueing for the Alliance Raid roulette? You can't tell me that they're doing it because they want more of a challenge.
    Do you have any proof of this? Because unless these silent players say something, you can’t really use them to back up your argument. The official forums is hardly a place for hardcore players—speaking as someone who has been posting on here since 2016, it’s mostly a mixed bag with some “hardcore”, some “casual”, and some “midcore”. “Literally millions” doesn’t hold much weight either, since the highest reported active user count was a little bit over a million pre-Endwalker. If you’re using the “25 million accounts registered” as data, do keep in mind that that count also counts RMT bots. It’s not accurate for actual players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonKeyh View Post
    You're saying "You're wrong because you don't have proof." and "I'm right despite not having proof."
    I'm saying that the decision maker, SE, has the proof that they themselves have gathered through random surveys that cover the entire population, and they've been making the decisions they've been making. Make of that what you will.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Do you have any proof of this?
    I don't need proof because I'm not the one asking SE to do anything other than what they've already done and are continuing to do. The proof is in the decisions that SE has made based on their surveys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Would you rather we get only 1 raid update every 12 months instead? Or how about no raid updates for 3 years like swtor and when it finally did get one it was a single boss and the rest of the raid was added in piece by piece over the course of a year?
    You mean like the Ultimate fights, e.g. the one that was pushed back or cut (depending on how they actually handle developing them going forward), that healers are supposed to do in order to feel any sense of engagement?


    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    surveys.
    You mention "surveys" several times in your post. The only official surveys, for Final Fantasy XIV, were for how people felt the December 2021 Fan Fest was handled, and a Japanese-only survey that ended in February 2022, which asked about your favorite characters and story moments. As far as I'm aware, there have been no other official surveys announced. A quick internet search doesn't bring up anyone talking about any random surveys, especially any surveys asking anything like "tell us how you feel about job design, on a scale of 1 to 10."
    Why are you under the impression that there are surveys involved in their decision-making at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    I'm saying that the decision maker, SE, has the proof that they themselves have gathered through random surveys that cover the entire population, and they've been making the decisions they've been making. Make of that what you will.


    I don't need proof because I'm not the one asking SE to do anything other than what they've already done and are continuing to do. The proof is in the decisions that SE has made based on their surveys.
    And do you have any proof that they are using surveys to make informed decisions? Because unless you do, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on with your argument here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    And do you have any proof that they are using surveys to make informed decisions? Because unless you do, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on with your argument here.
    I guess I was just imagining this:
    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleBeard View Post
    SE has a survey to give feedback on their games and all that junk. They have several questions regarding FF14 and one or two asking if people would be interested in a new MMO. If you're interested, the link is below.

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/SQUAREREF
    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    actually SE really did make this they even posted that same link on FB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    I guess I was just imagining this:
    The link you quoted doesn’t lead to anything.

    Unless that survey had questions that concerned job balance, job design, and content design, then I don’t see how it could be used to make informed decisions on progressively dumbing them all down. Assuming they even take any of the responses into consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    I don't need proof because I'm not the one asking SE to do anything other than what they've already done and are continuing to do. The proof is in the decisions that SE has made based on their surveys.
    You do realize this is the same SE who were completely baffled by Bard's utterly dominance for two full expansions only to admit they never balanced it (or Machinist) around the Piercing DPS, yes? Or the same SE who insisted Lilies were completely fine throughout Stormblood only to cave in Shadowbringers when people were advising new White Mage players to literally take their gauge and throw it away because Lilies were that useless? By the way, players told Yoshida at the media tour this was a problem. How about with Endwalker right now where Machinist has been left to rot for the entire tier because it's damage was so hilariously low it can't compete with Dancer.

    Suffice it to say, SE has a lengthily track record showing the precise opposite of this supposed "proof".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    You do realize this is the same SE who were completely baffled by Bard's utterly dominance for two full expansions only to admit they never balanced it (or Machinist) around the Piercing DPS, yes? Or the same SE who insisted Lilies were completely fine throughout Stormblood only to cave in Shadowbringers when people were advising new White Mage players to literally take their gauge and throw it away because Lilies were that useless? By the way, players told Yoshida at the media tour this was a problem. How about with Endwalker right now where Machinist has been left to rot for the entire tier because it's damage was so hilariously low it can't compete with Dancer.

    Suffice it to say, SE has a lengthily track record showing the precise opposite of this supposed "proof".
    and the infamous "we honestly have no idea what to do with scholar" endwalker response.

    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    Did I make any mention of this? Where are these questions coming from?



    Let's be real man. Not even sprouts struggle with Thordan.
    sprouts dont even take long enough to see the neato gimmick after his big flashy attack where he's all tuckered out and talking mad shit
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