Stop complaining. You wanted this.

[Jojoya]

6.1 isn't even here and the salt is coming in droves. Clicking the placard was horrible it was. For us homeowners that got past it. Congrats boys we now get to watch them complain about the lottery system. I have seen a number of threads begging for a lottery system and now they have given it to you and you still complain. This is exactly what you wanted. Real housing OGs know that simply clicking buy was the best shit in the world. We could have begged to have gone back to that but instead you wanted lottery. Well when 6.1 drops you'll have it. Good luck. Odds are you'll win the cactpot before you win a house. inb4 someone says clicking the placard was better.

Not everyone wanted a lottery at all.

Not everyone who wanted a lottery wanted it in the form that SE decided to use.

They all have a right to leave their feedback. If you don't like that feedback, that's your problem. It's for SE's benefit, not yours. Skip reading it if it's bothering you.

For those complaining that everyone should get permanent, never to be removed from the game, housing, with no increase in subscription fees to, say, US$20 per month, good luck convincing any company that there should be the potential for 25 million (at last count) players in a game to each have it on multiple characters on multiple worlds.

I suppose that the computer hardware necessary to create such a satisfactory solution could all come with GPUs that could be used for Bitcoin mining while the housing is online.

It's amazing how many other games don't seem to find it a problem.

ESO numbers are close to FFXIV player numbers, the game is not subscription based (though it is buy to play) and their players can get multiple houses just through game play (though there are others available on their cash shop - and gee FFXIV has one of those as well even if it's not selling housing).

You do not understand how instancing works if you think it's too difficult for SE to provide instanced housing especially considering a very basic form of instanced housing already exists - apartments. What we'd like to see SE do is upgrade the instanced housing to be on par with the instanced housing we have access to in other games.

And there definitely isn't a need for bitcoin mining to accomplish it.

Well my chances are infinitely higher with a lottery system than the click spam system. I stopped trying with the clicking after getting sniped a few times by relocations, but now that there is a lottery it will at least get me engaged with it again.

Your chances are only higher because you stopped bothering to engage with the system in the past.

Once the first couple of lottery periods have passed for the new supply to sell out and plots vacated by relocation filled again, your chances of winning will be extremely low compared to what they were when you did engage with the system. If you were frustrated to be competing against 20 other players (whether bots or not), how frustrated are you going to be when you're competing against 1,000?

[MicahZerrshia]

This is nothing new. Back in 1.x we were given the goobbue mount, which had been requested again and again in mount threads and when they finally gave it to us, the forums blew up in a white hot salty rage about how they gave us a goobbue mount and not x y z

[DPZ2]

ESO numbers are close to FFXIV player numbers, the game is not subscription based (though it is buy to play) and their players can get multiple houses just through game play (though there are others available on their cash shop - and gee FFXIV has one of those as well even if it's not selling housing).

ESO 20 million people have played it. FFXIV is now at 37 million. ESO recent active population hovers around 200K. FFXIV, during the lull before 6.1, hovers around 700K.

The numbers are not as close as you'd like to believe. If I paid around $150 for an in-game house, I would expect it to be there forever too. If I traded cash for gold (possible in ESO) and used it to buy a house, I would expect it to be there forever too.

One thing you can't do in ESO as a console player is visit a PC player's house. Because the worlds for console players and PC players are separated.

Typical item counts for ESO:

Small Houses: 100 furnishings, 5 Trophy Busts, and 2 Mounts, Pets or Assistants
Medium Houses: 200 furnishings, 10 Trophy Busts, and 3 Mounts, Pets or Assistants
Large Houses: 300 furnishings, 20 Trophy Busts, and 4 Mounts, Pets or Assistants

Typical item counts for FFXIV:
Small: Cottage
2 floors with relatively small rooms (around 3x the size of an Apartment)
200 pieces of furniture inside / 20 in the yard max
can have 6 vendors at most
can have 4 crafting facilities at most
can only have 1 garden patch (up to 8 beds)
Medium: House
3 floors, the house is approximately twice the size of a cottage
300 pieces of furniture inside / 30 in the yard max
can have 8 vendors at most
can have 6 crafting facilities at most
can have 2 garden patches (up to 16 beds)
Large: Mansion
3 floors, much larger than a Medium
400 pieces of furniture inside / 40 in the yard max
can have 10 vendors at most
can have 8 crafting facilities at most
can have 3 garden patches (up to 24 beds)

[Amenara]

Your chances are only higher because you stopped bothering to engage with the system in the past.

Once the first couple of lottery periods have passed for the new supply to sell out and plots vacated by relocation filled again, your chances of winning will be extremely low compared to what they were when you did engage with the system. If you were frustrated to be competing against 20 other players (whether bots or not), how frustrated are you going to be when you're competing against 1,000?

In my mind the changes give me a chance, especially with my current work schedule. I have no chance at all with FCFS. The part on my end to understand is that I don't necessarily have hopes of actually getting a house, but now I have an opportunity to try to get one vs. with FCFS where I am not going to even bother because of my schedule and knowing that there will probably be multiple botters I wouldn't stand a chance with. I am realistic with my odds and I understand I will probably keep living in an apartment in game until they decide to do instanced housing, if ever.

[DPZ2]

You do not understand how instancing works if you think it's too difficult for SE to provide instanced housing especially considering a very basic form of instanced housing already exists - apartments. What we'd like to see SE do is upgrade the instanced housing to be on par with the instanced housing we have access to in other games.

If all people are asking for is bigger apartments, ask for bigger apartments. Not houses with yards in a neighborhood which is where SE went with things, and where things are likely to remain because ... "that was my house, bro! Why did you replace it with this non-house?"

As it stands, for every player to have housing that looks like the current housing, and for every player to have multiple avatars, each with their own house, and for the systems necessary to keep those neighborhoods active, because one can never assume that any neighborhood "instance" can be shut down when there are 700K active players, a lot more processing power is needed. Especially if those things have to be kept around "forever".

[Serious-Cat]

I think the personal islands should solve the issue on house ownership but mostly impossible to please everyone at once since the intended feature of building community with housing failed as it turns to be just for flexing. Just wanting to own a place can be done with apartments and the upcoming personal islands gives access to gardening and outdoor decorating.

As for fc ships and subs, this could be made into a npc feature, like chocobo racing since I gathered that the main point for those 1-4 member fc house ownership is to gain access to this for content.

In terms of the lottery system and changes, it is the most fair since anyone with a dream and gil can have a ticket to getting one, instead of the previous system that is only fair to those that can stay online longer, uses illegal programs/methods or have large enough social contacts to manipulate the odds. While anyone can have 8 characters per server to enter the housing lottery and more with multiple accounts, I'll take that over 24-72 hours clicking placards since only the unemployed, retired and those playing ff14 as a job could really win.

[SanadaX]

Well my chances are infinitely higher with a lottery system than the click spam system. I stopped trying with the clicking after getting sniped a few times by relocations, but now that there is a lottery it will at least get me engaged with it again.

Peak delusion. Clicking a placard was bad but at least you saw the competition. Now you won't have any idea the amount of people you're up against. Odds are you'll win the cactpot

[Fenril7]

The ONLY chance most you will have to get a house is below. But we are going to hear, nope sorry, not going to do it. Then live with your choice and be quite.

When SE puts in new Data Centers in the summer, THAT IS YOUR BEST CHANCE TO OWN A HOUSE! You will have around 3-4 or more NEW SERVERS, with HOUSING in 5 areas.

But we are going to have people saying nope, not transferring, then quit whining!

[Besame]

I own a house.

I do not support clicking for days for a miniscule chance
I do not support a lottery for an even more miniscule chance
I do not support acquisition depending on the fastest log in...
I do not support excuses

I do support if SE stepped up and designed a system that allows ALL to own a home after YEARS of letting so many players down.

I do support vastly expanding instanced housing (apartment as a guide and template) to allow for instanced interior home sizes of S, M, L + possibly XL with NO DEMOLITION + larger item limits, indoor sunroom for gardens etc

Time to stop punishing/disagreeing with each other and start insisting SE implements the fix.

I agree with this post. SE is fail at housing period.

[Nepentha]

I own a house.

I do not support clicking for days for a miniscule chance
I do not support a lottery for an even more miniscule chance
I do not support acquisition depending on the fastest log in...
I do not support excuses

I do support if SE stepped up and designed a system that allows ALL to own a home after YEARS of letting so many players down.

I do support vastly expanding instanced housing (apartment as a guide and template) to allow for instanced interior home sizes of S, M, L + possibly XL with NO DEMOLITION + larger item limits, indoor sunroom for gardens etc

Time to stop punishing/disagreeing with each other and start insisting SE implements the fix.

Thank you. I'm tired of seeing the housing enthusiasts tear into each other. SE needs to stop the bandaid fixes and work toward something that allows all players to participate in housing.