Stop complaining. You wanted this.

[Nepentha]

I can only hope SE is prepared to actively research all the FCs obtaining houses with suspicious FC masters and membership to slam the door not just on RMT but those who buy from RMT. RMT won't get anywhere if players actively fear they'll lose their accounts. Right now that fear does not exist because SE does nothing.

Jojoya, I don't think you realize just how effective the 30 day rule is, or how RMTers actually do their business in reselling houses. I've checked in on several seller pages now and many of them are throwing in the towel entirely and just selling off what they have left.

They count on fast sales. Before all they had was a 24 hour wait period to start a brand new FC and the laughably easy task of leveling it to 6. They could packet bomb placards to guarantee they win the house they're after. And then they could sell the FC to a buyer the same hour they bought the house by instantly transferring FC Master rank and leaving the FC. In a single day, they could bring in hundreds of dollars selling FCs, then wait 24 hours and do it again.

Now, they have to set aside those alts for 30 days before even thinking about entering a lotto. Most of them weren't even prepared for this release. (Bravo SE for waiting to announce the 30 day rule until it was too late to scramble together FCs to have ready for the release.) They were botting any available placards up to the moment the servers went down for 6.1 maintenance. Then they have to wait like everyone else for the lotto results, which they aren't guaranteed to win anymore. Can't bot the lotto. SE has also put down restrictions for people who've purchased from placards previously (this I'm still hazy on). And on the off chance they do win, they can remove their alts but they'll have to first find a buyer willing to sit in the FC for 30 days before they can actually transfer it. Good luck getting that buyer to pre-pay for it. And trying to delete the FC Master? Will dissolve the entire FC rather than pass Master down to someone who hasn't been there for at least 30 days.

It's a hassle. I'm sure they'll eventually figure out a system to allow them to continue reselling homes, but it'll never again be the easy, super fast cash cow it was pre-6.1.

Good.

[HisShadowX]

For those complaining that everyone should get permanent, never to be removed from the game, housing, with no increase in subscription fees to, say, US$20 per month, good luck convincing any company that there should be the potential for 25 million (at last count) players in a game to each have it on multiple characters on multiple worlds.

I suppose that the computer hardware necessary to create such a satisfactory solution could all come with GPUs that could be used for Bitcoin mining while the housing is online.

You do no there are Buy2Win games like ESO that allow you to purchase your own land to own forever with real money. I would like that option here as well

[AlzabetSmallberries]

Course they made it mostly FC housing for a reason.

It'll sell.

Once the, what, 9 days, are past every single one of them will be full on Hyperion. Maybe even all of Primal.

The good news is, 90% of those FC's will be leaving a house somewhere else, and you'll be able to start a lotto on THAT.

So think of the 70% FC occupion in Ishgard as just being delayed by 2 weeks.

Don't see it?

Walk through with me.

If it had been all private housing, then the larges MIGHT be people moving from other larges, or from small/medium.
The Mediums might be people moving from other mediums or smalls.
The smalls though are not likely to be people moving from other smalls, that are likely to be mostly new housing.

So maybe 100 other plots would open up elsewhere in the world if it was all private.

Instead 30% will be private, but 50% will cause openings ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD.
They've effectively added a new ward to every single other housing location in the game.

except every future private home relocation from wards 1 through 18 in every single housing zone, effectively permanently
removes a private home off the board, as they will turn into an FC only lot once vacated. This means moving forward the number of private residences will continue to drop, significantly, and FC lots will continue to increase.

If you look at the current allotment across all the older housing zones, private houses far outnumber FC houses, despite the fact that FC's always had a substantial advantage in the old "click to win" system as they could have several people clicking on a placard at the same time vs 1 per private residence. Every house I ever clicked on there was maybe 1-2 groups for an FC (usually bots TBH) and at least a dozen people trying to get a private. The reason that private houses far outnumber FC currently, is because the demand is far higher for private. It makes no sense to split housing 75% in favor of FC's - Squeenix went backwards on lottery allotment IMO.

[Nepentha]

except every private home relocation from wards 1 through 18 now remove a private home off the board entirely, as they will turn into an FC only lot. this means moving forward the number of private residences will continue to drop, significantly,
and FC lots will continue to increase.

They'll reassess the wards by then, and open up more of them to personal housing. This isn't unlike the time they released new wards and made them FC only for a time. Eventually they unlocked it so that anything left could be taken up as a personal house. Just this time rather than make everything FC only, they roped off a few wards to be personal only.

So no, it won't remain like this forever. Wards 1-18 are FC only for now, not forever.

[AlzabetSmallberries]

They'll reassess the wards by then, and open up more of them to personal housing. *** So no, it won't remain like this forever. Wards 1-18 are FC only for now, not forever.

That would be good. Hope you're right!

[Jojoya]

Jojoya, I don't think you realize just how effective the 30 day rule is, or how RMTers actually do their business in reselling houses. I've checked in on several seller pages now and many of them are throwing in the towel entirely and just selling off what they have left.
(snip the rest).

If it's truly effective, then good. But I can easily think of a way to continue to resell with only minor inconvenience as long as multiple service accounts are involved.

Many throwing in the towel doesn't mean everyone throwing in the towel.

[Nepentha]

If it's truly effective, then good. But I can easily think of a way to continue to resell with only minor inconvenience as long as multiple service accounts are involved.

Many throwing in the towel doesn't mean everyone throwing in the towel.

I'll take any progress in this regard over none at all.

[DPZ2]

You do no there are Buy2Win games like ESO that allow you to purchase your own land to own forever with real money. I would like that option here as well

I am certain there are plenty of games which do so. World of Warcraft isn't one of them.

If enough players who don't own houses at this point promise to purchase housing with Real Money, and it's no more than the housing in other games, great! A two-room apartment would be what people should ask for, not an instanced plot of land in Shirogane. That'll teach players the Power of the Cash Shop!

People aren't asking for that (at least none of the threads start out with that premise).

I have housing in a good number of MMOs. What other games give you is a static space of varying size (and cost ... ESO is particularly fond of people paying Real Money to own larger housing). The charm of neighborhoods with actual players in them is replaced by a rather sterile cookie-cutter venue with a much lower hardware requirement. [Think SE "apartments", but with fewer items that can be used].

We already have apartments and FC houses. People somehow don't find those as attractive as an actual plot in an actual neighborhood that you can run around in rather than use a Port Key to get to.

[SanadaX]

Jojoya, I don't think you realize just how effective the 30 day rule is, or how RMTers actually do their business in reselling houses. I've checked in on several seller pages now and many of them are throwing in the towel entirely and just selling off what they have left.

They count on fast sales. Before all they had was a 24 hour wait period to start a brand new FC and the laughably easy task of leveling it to 6. They could packet bomb placards to guarantee they win the house they're after. And then they could sell the FC to a buyer the same hour they bought the house by instantly transferring FC Master rank and leaving the FC. In a single day, they could bring in hundreds of dollars selling FCs, then wait 24 hours and do it again.

Now, they have to set aside those alts for 30 days before even thinking about entering a lotto. Most of them weren't even prepared for this release. (Bravo SE for waiting to announce the 30 day rule until it was too late to scramble together FCs to have ready for the release.) They were botting any available placards up to the moment the servers went down for 6.1 maintenance. Then they have to wait like everyone else for the lotto results, which they aren't guaranteed to win anymore. Can't bot the lotto. SE has also put down restrictions for people who've purchased from placards previously (this I'm still hazy on). And on the off chance they do win, they can remove their alts but they'll have to first find a buyer willing to sit in the FC for 30 days before they can actually transfer it. Good luck getting that buyer to pre-pay for it. And trying to delete the FC Master? Will dissolve the entire FC rather than pass Master down to someone who hasn't been there for at least 30 days.

It's a hassle. I'm sure they'll eventually figure out a system to allow them to continue reselling homes, but it'll never again be the easy, super fast cash cow it was pre-6.1.

Good.

Acquiring Housing has gotten worse since its inception. No one is throwing in any towel just yet when it hasn't even been out a week and already players have been by passing the restriction in a multitude of ways. They should have gotten rid of the timers and opened more wards. Best fix. Instead we got lottery. Can't wait to see how this plays out after next week.

[not_ya_wify]

I wouldn't mind going back to the OG days of waking up at 3AM once every 2 years and getting the exact house you want but maybe lottery isn't as bad as I think.