Thread: Patch 6.1 trailer speculations

As far as I can tell, the treasure map's isles don't correspond to anywhere visible on the current world map, though it could reasonably be hidden under one of the cloud masses near Thavnair.

That's definitely the eye in Radz-at-Han, so it's absolutely a Thavnairian region.

I was also hoping that they would let the individual plot threads all slowly unravel for a bit before starting to converge them down, perhaps a couple of expansions down the line. They've dropped a lot of lore hooks, and I worry that they might be tempted to burn through them too quickly.



But maybe they just want to get all of the not-Scions' respective storylines moving a bit before they start individually focusing on each of them.

I assume the kangaroo minion is more in celebration of the Oceanic data center than anything.

If we're going to get Meracydia acknowledgment this patch I'd honestly expect it in the Arkasodara quests because of all the hippos. The already existing hippo minion's description says they're native to Meracydia and came to Thavnair via trade.

Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

The Answers cinematic was very explicitly summoning them as Primals. That's why Louisoix had everyone praying to them, Primals are prayers + aether. That was what Gaius's whole rant in Praetorium was about.

We also know the myth of the Seven Hells/Heavens is false because we've seen the afterlife in this very expansion and it's just the aetherial sea. As is the legend that Midgardsormr was told to watch over Lake Silvertear by Althyk and Nymeia, because it was actually his pact with Hydaelyn that had him doing that. And back in 5.3 Urianger set up the idea that Azeyma was inspired by Azem.

I've never gotten the impression we were supposed to think they actually existed. So I doubt this raid is "really" them any more than Ysayle's Shiva was "really" Shiva.

If I remember correctly, it's explicitly not Primal summoning, but something close enough that Louisoix felt conflicted about performing. Indeed, it's not the inherently flawed Primal summoning that was taught by the Paragons, and, while Gaius compares it to Primal summoning, there's no indication of tempering or even manifesting a physical form. It might not be appropriate to call them Primals as they were presented, but then again that is not to say they were "real".

Certainly they're as real as anyone else's gods as far as the game is concerned. No more fake than Ifrit or Garuda. Both gods that we "know" the origins of, but nontheless presented as valid belief (excluding the whole "summoning them to enslave others to their will and drain the land of aether" bit). The game really doesn't care about what makes gods "real".

Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC

If I remember correctly, it's explicitly not Primal summoning, but something close enough that Louisoix felt conflicted about performing. Indeed, it's not the inherently flawed Primal summoning that was taught by the Paragons, and, while Gaius compares it to Primal summoning, there's no indication of tempering or even manifesting a physical form. It might not be appropriate to call them Primals as they were presented, but then again that is not to say they were "real".

Certainly they're as real as anyone else's gods as far as the game is concerned. No more fake than Ifrit or Garuda. Both gods that we "know" the origins of, but nontheless presented as valid belief (excluding the whole "summoning them to enslave others to their will and drain the land of aether" bit). The game really doesn't care about what makes gods "real".

I'm wondering if the summoning at Carteneau, which is described as Louisoix asking the Twelve to "lend their power" (as opposed to summoning them fully), might be akin to the case at the end of the Xelphatol dungeon, where the last boss "summons" Garuda, except only a portion thereof and only for a moment. In Xelphatol as well, there's no commentary about the dangers of tempering, so presumably the idea is it's too short a time to temper anyone.

I actually like the way FFXIV presents belief and faith, and what that means for cases where the truth of the deities' origins are known. I would think that if a sailor needs to embark on a voyage, they would certainly pray to something for safety, and even if we learn Llymlaen is actually some non-divine construct or person, that sailor might as well continue to pray to her. It's not about the gods, but rather about being human.

I admit if the Myths Of The Twelve raid is taking place in or around Elpis, it would be very difficult on my suspension of disbelief.

Elidibus: "You should not and cannot change the past."

WoL: promptly involves themselves with Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus, creates a closed time loop with Venat, rampages through Pandemonium, beats up the concepts that would later be worshipped as the Twelve