Thread: Patch 6.1 trailer speculations

Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

I also expect that the Twelve are going to be Primals or something similar. Throughout the entire game I never got the impression that they were real, so it'd be weird for that to shift gears now.

I assume that shot in the trailer of WoL and G'raha disappearing into light will be going to the raid itself, like in some other plane or something. Though it might also be from the MSQ if Y'shtola has already found a way to go between shards, but I think it's less likely that she's already done that. I think that Shtola's stuff is going to be more long-term.

The dungeon looks like it's some islands near Thavnair.

It seems like the role quest finale will be about Voidsent? That's really interesting. Maybe this is where we'll get answers about Zenos's reaper avatar.

Most primals are based on real people or things, but a version that changed enough from the real entity over time. Shiva, Garuda, Thordan, etc. come to mind. It's hard to say what direction they'll go, but the twelve were almost certainly real people at one point. They might even still be around and alive. We've gotten hints at both of those points.

Given the kangaroo minion, I'm wondering if there might be some link to Meracydia happening somewhere.

Memes aside, I'm curious about the map shown in the trailer, which from context might be the treasure map that Estinien paid (too much) for.

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Do we know where this is? I admit I don't recall any place on the world map that looks like this, but I'm pretty bad at remembering the shapes of archipelagos (despite living next to one).

For the Alliance Raid, the bosses are definitely Byregot (and his crown of hammers), Rhalgr, Azeyma, and Nald'Thal. Speculation I've read elsewhere notes that these are the deity pairs of the Lightning and Fire elements. Also related, they're the first four deities of the Twelve in order as presented in the lorebook, starting from the top right and going counter-clockwise. Which means, if we're sticking to four of the Twelve for each raid, the next raid will be Nophica, Althyk, Halone, and Menphina (for Earth and Ice), then Thaliak, Nymeia, Llymlaen, and Oschon (for Water and Wind). Having said that, I'm not as convinced, because that would be too predictable; I'm expecting something to shake up the formula.

I only saw blasphemies in the scenes pertaining to the role quest.

The sudden re-association of Ascians with voidsent is...interesting considering that it's strictly been the low-ranked nameless ones getting involved with that business, and largely just in ARR, with the only other incident being Shisui of the Violet Tide.

Interesting note, when we enter the Heaven of Fire it’s shown to have the sun blazing behind it (obviously), but when we fight Azeyma it’s replaced by the moon and it becomes night.

Menphina also appearing or being teased maybe?

It has been forever and half since the low-ranked Ascians last showed up, so I honestly forgot how they looked and lazily assumed such just from black robes + dark energies. I do feel like the voidsent business is going to end up connecting to whatever's likely going on with Zenos' avatar, though.

I also find it a little curious that Nero seems to be tagging along for the role quest finale...though him wanting to investigate the Tower of Babil mostly for sake of figuring out what's making it tick would be entirely in character.

I understand needing the generic Trusts for most dungeons but I hope ones where characters were actually with us will have them, like Alphinaud and Cid in Stone Vigil (and maybe Haurchefant to round it out).

Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

I understand needing the generic Trusts for most dungeons but I hope ones where characters were actually with us will have them, like Alphinaud and Cid in Stone Vigil (and maybe Haurchefant to round it out).

They did say that if certain npcs are supposed to be participating in the dungeon with us then they'll be part of the team. Though Cid and Alphinaud seemed to be more so following us from a safe distance in Stone Vigil. At least that's how it came off as.

If G'raha is connected to the 24p raid, I'm curious to see if we're going to get a lore drop on Nyunkrepf and the Twelve Archons, and if Ahldbhar is still linked to Rhalgr post 1.x.

Curious to know who that voidsent is. His hand looks similar to Diabolos', but I can't remember if he was voiced before.

I'll laugh if the immediate plot hook from Y'shtola's shard travel investigations is just there to set up the Hildibrand questline.

I do wonder how Prae and Meridian are going to play out. Will Cid be piloting around in Maggie during Meridian? Are we still going to become separated from Cid and need him to explain to us what an elevator is and how it works? Do we still get some unintentional devastation after being asked for whom do we fight for? Will Giaus finally take us to Wendys?

I think people are a little confused about which parts of the patches are going where, so here's my general reading based on both the trailer and the special site.

MSQ: Both in Thavnair and Sharlayan. Stars at least Estinien and Y'shtola.

Alliance raid: Somehow starts in/near Mor Dhona, then goes to Ancient nonsense. Stars at least G'raha Tia.

Hildibrand: An expansion late, lost in the First.

Crystalline Conflict: Arenas in Sharlayan, Hell's Lid(?) and the Sea of Clouds(?). Not actually story-based, but helps us not get red flags when seeing volcanoes or fights in what look like Sharlayan streets.

Role Quest Capstone: All the role quest people, and also Fourenchalt, go to Garlemald and fight Terminus Beasts in the Tower of Babil.

Tataru's Journey: Complete unknown, no details provided. Might possibly be one of the others listed? Possibly also the lead-in for the trial questline.

???: Robed people (unclear if it's Ascians or Lambs of Dalamud from the brief shot) doing something with voidsent statues in Gelmorran ruins; it's a reused part of Tam-Tara, but we've never seen that scene before so it can't be part of the dungeon pretty-ups.

It can be deduced, then, but hasn't been confirmed, that Tataru's doing something in Gelmorra--and that it might be a big deal, given it's kinda given billing equal to the MSQ and alliance raids.