New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[SherlottaEryut]

How does everyone feel, now that this thread surpassed the Viera/Hrothgar complaint megathread in replies? x3

Considering Hrothgar's player base is significantly low, it's refreshing to see the amount of people who spoke up about the unfairness of the situation.

I still think the overall discussion would have been more suited in my thread, considering this thread's OP only discussed the currently announced Hrothgar hairstyles... Whereas mine questions the slow pace, lack of promised race-specific hair and how we need more communication - but for all we know maybe the moderator has been looking at our comments.

Either way, it's relieving they saw our pleas and have taken it into account. Everyone did very well

Edit: The Viera/Hrothgar complaint megathread did blow up roughly 400-500 comments since the Hrothgar's hairstyle announcement.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yeah, but even beyond that, like these styles look pretty much objectively bad. I'm not sure how he could have thought people would be happy about them.

I mean, he was laughing at them when they were shown, so i think he knows how people would react, but gotta play the innocent pity card. Now time for everyone to forget this happened and wait patiently for another 3 years only to get more half assed implementation. It’s a bit scary how similar this is to the healer situation. “This will take some time so please wait until x” and then it’s please wait, please wait, please wait, and nothing is ever done.

Yeah, I'm not buying their excuses anymore, especially after the housing mess and this. I'm done being Mr. Nice Guy. My respect for the dev team is on a downward slide. If they can't respect the players at this point, then they won't get any in return. Not from me, anyway.

Damn y'all, you know you done goofed when even Vahlnir is done with SE's shit. I suppose its nice to see people waking up, on one hand it feels nice to see people not blindly praising the devs and acknowledging the faults, but on the other hand its a bit sad to see the game slowly take this downward slope, and that it took this long for people to recognize it.

[Denji]

It seems like just as was the case for Viera and Hrothgar in general, the hair for Hrothgar may have been pushed out because they knew that after 3 years of nothing, we deserved SOMETHING. And he said he's aware of the fact everyone wants them, which I assume means it's not just the English-speaking community that was upset. We don't know how this works on the side of the server. Keep in mind they had to add an entire new FACE to midlanders to get the WoL facial hair instead of just adding a stubble option to the aesthetician. I saw comments claiming that he said that's because of a server limitation, though there was no source so not sure how true that is.

I guess my point is he already said if that's really what we want, we'll get it in the longrun. There wasn't much ambiguity about that (unlike the preliminary patch notes not mentioning the aesthetician am i right fellas?) so your voices are heard, yeah? I think that's a win for ya'll

There is no "we don't know how this works server-side". All information related to how characters look is entirely client-side. It's trivial to figure this out even without modding the game by simply observing the data sent to and from the servers. This is why breaking the tos and modding in this game is so absurdly easy to begin with.

In fact one of the many reasons why 1.0 was so laggy back in the day was because many menus were server-side for no reason (which was changed when they literally redid both the front and backends)

[SturmChurro]

I mean, he was laughing at them when they were shown, so i think he knows how people would react, but gotta play the innocent pity card. Now time for everyone to forget this happened and wait patiently for another 3 years only to get more half assed implementation. It’s a bit scary how similar this is to the healer situation. “This will take some time so please wait until x” and then it’s please wait, please wait, please wait, and nothing is ever done.

I've pretty much given up at this point. I held out hope for viera hairstyles and everything for years, but at this point, with the direction this game seems to be heading, and I am talking about everything... this Hrothgar hair quality, cutting of racial features, what people are saying about jobs, etc.. I really just don't know anymore. I want to see how the new story arc(s) turn out, and the graphical update, but yeah..

[Karowolus]

Ok, So just because of a comment made by the translator. I want to reiterate this for people who are looking in on the thread.

We aren't asking for this to be done instantly. We're upset, we're angry. And we're disappointed... 3 years of nothing have produced nothing. But we can wait. We've been doing that this whole time haven't we? We just want to see something come out of this that people actually enjoy. Rather than a half-baked hairstyle...


We're asking for things like... Show us works in progress. Get fan feedback whilst working on the product. The whole reason that games have Beta tests is to get feedback on how things work. If it's too mechanically intensive. If this bug is present. Etc. If you want to know what the fans want. Which according to the rules you set for yourself after the failure of 1.0. You do. You have to communicate with us. We may sound spiteful from this, which yes. I imagine some people are. But its because we want the game to flourish.

Because I get it! It takes time. Modders did it, it took them a lot of time on their free time, and they're not paid for it. You who are paid for it likely have other responsibilities to worry about and that's fine... just as long as you worry about this when the time comes and not throw something together. because at this rate...

This is going to be 1.0 all over again... Endwalker will be the 1.0 of the modern era of FFXIV. We can't let standards drop... It's like cooking... You can't produce good food if your standards are low. I don't think I've seen A SINGLE PERSON on social media or reddit commend the hairstyles for looking good. That should say something big about this entire situation.

We aren't gaslighting. We aren't guilt tripping. We're stating the facts as we see them. We are being completely patient compared to the people who spammed (CrabEmoji) MALE VIERA (CrabEmoji) in the devstreams.

We're willing to be patient. We just want to see results on the course, because if we don't. We drop standards. And if we drop standards. The game fails. Because who is to say it stops here?

[8BitKit]

As a Hrothgar player, these hairstyles just really cemented the feeling that to the devs, Hrothgar players are second class citizens. With the additional comments in todays livestream, I have a tiny bit more faith, but not much. It really feels like they waited 3 years and then quickly rushed out these styles. I would MUCH rather they took the time and effort to make the styles look good and keep the ears (resulting in a lot less styles more infrequently) than rushing a larger number of them faster. We had to wait SO long for literally anything, and then the stuff we got was rushed. It felt really, really bad watching him laugh as he announced them, knowing that the first bit of new customisation for Hrothgar in so long was an actual joke to them. I appreciate that the head shape is unique, and everything stated today, and that it'll take more work, but we'd rather wait and get stuff that is of a quality matching the other races than just get rushed and continued to be treat as second class citizens.

[Karowolus]

As a continuation from my last post I've said to my friends multiple times. I'm happy to wait patches and patches until hairstyles are done. I don't mind if these are added bit by bit. But I... We just want to see a result that looks good and that both us and Devs can look back and think 'That was worth it in the end'. We don't want to feel like a joke race anymore.

[SturmChurro]

I appreciate that the head shape is unique, and everything stated today, and that it'll take more work, but we'd rather wait and get stuff that is of a quality matching the other races than just get rushed and continued to be treat as second class citizens.

You all did wait! That's the problem! Almost three years you all waited! This is what you got for all that time. Maybe by 2026 you guys can get some hairstyles that include ears!

You know entire games can be built in LESS time than it took them to come out with a handful of styles for hrothgar?

[Vahlnir]

You all did wait! That's the problem! Almost three years you all waited! This is what you got for all that time.

[HeyMcFly]

Do they think we're stupid? We've been repeatedly telling them that people who break the tos and mod their game have had this figured out for literal years now. It isn't that hard of a problem to solve.

It's not that they think we're stupid- Maybe when the XIV team goes to get player feedback, they have to wear a blindfold and pick a number from One to One Million so then Chad Girthquakes horrible suggestion to add 2-B hair for M. Hrothgar for memes is chosen- But if the dev team get's a number that doesn't have a suggestion, it's another 2-3 years back to the drawing board. Do not pass go, do not collect good hairstyles or 200$ and instead add another terrible looking outfit. - atleast that's my guess

And as far as the modders go- they have some AMAZING creations- and it hurts to see the hairs and features we are stuck with in FFXIV, then go see the hairs and features the modders have created (which are often incredible) then told we cannot have them & it's against the rules.

Just add a new hairstyle contest. And pick 10 winners per category- make categories for Male & Female Miqote, Viera, Lalafell, Elezen, Roegadyn, Humans, Au Ra. That way the focus is creating hairstyles specifically for those races & genders that then can be added for everyone at a later time- because trying to make universal hairstyles can often lead to VERY boring & disappointing results -gestures broadly at the current hairstyles-

I'd like to see the data they look at to decide what hairs to implement- I'm still waiting for Yshtola's hair to be added to F. Viera-
But I also think they should just design unique hairs for Viera & Hroth so that they keep their beastial uniqueness.

I can't find a suggestions thread about adding new emotes to umbrellas, or the punch emote or an eating egg emote. Where do they decide to add this stuff? Because it looks like more people want new hairs/ new housing features, new character customization- not if they can eat an egg or not. They could be working on updating the character creator and making it more versatile and on par with what modders can dish out.

Just imagine the features we could have if the time put into story was also put into hairstyles/ character features- I think it's just as important since the story involves our characters and we see alot of up-close encounters with them.