New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[MintnHoney]

Or getting rid of the hunchback.

You know, I'm probably in the minority for this, but I actually kinda like the hunchback. I think it adds a little extra something, a little crudeness that brings out the beasty-side of the Hrothgar.
Then again, I'm a fan of people being of a variety in general, which is why I love the idea of PSO2:NGS, and the ability to change anything from a character's idle stance to tongue shape. So a small thing like the hunchback just feels like good flavor, for me.

That said, yeah: mods offer a lot for Hrothgar that Squeen probably never will. It's a shame, too, because there's so much potential there.

[Midareyukki]

You know, I'm probably in the minority for this, but I actually kinda like the hunchback. I think it adds a little extra something, a little crudeness that brings out the beasty-side of the Hrothgar.
Then again, I'm a fan of people being of a variety in general, which is why I love the idea of PSO2:NGS, and the ability to change anything from a character's idle stance to tongue shape. So a small thing like the hunchback just feels like good flavor, for me.

That said, yeah: mods offer a lot for Hrothgar that Squeen probably never will. It's a shame, too, because there's so much potential there.

Here's the thing. You're free to like the hunchback. I look at GW2 and I LIKE IT that the Charr have the hunchback, it feels organic.

The problem with FF14's hunchback though? It doesn't look organic. It doesn't feel natural in any way. It looks like I'm struggling to take a dump right there and then. And that's the problem. In their attempt to make the race look "animalistic", they're applying stuff that doesn't fit on Roegadyn. And we do very much have play-do roe bodies. So it comes off as really poorly made.

If we are to have a hunchback, at least make sure it fits. Make sure the race actually feels animalistic as clearly it's intended to. And not like I need imodium.

[Milus]

You know, I'm probably in the minority for this, but I actually kinda like the hunchback.

You are not alone, I like it...

[Retrisar]

Here's the thing. You're free to like the hunchback. I look at GW2 and I LIKE IT that the Charr have the hunchback, it feels organic.

The problem with FF14's hunchback though? It doesn't look organic. It doesn't feel natural in any way. It looks like I'm struggling to take a dump right there and then. And that's the problem. In their attempt to make the race look "animalistic", they're applying stuff that doesn't fit on Roegadyn. And we do very much have play-do roe bodies. So it comes off as really poorly made.

If we are to have a hunchback, at least make sure it fits. Make sure the race actually feels animalistic as clearly it's intended to. And not like I need imodium.

Hrothgar can stand straight but can't run without having a hunchback is just looking bad.

Charr from gw2 looks awful in almost all armors... but dear lord they got such amazing animation that you Don't care about this issue.

[Karowolus]

Yeah, the thing with Charr is that their running animation is on all fours. That's why the hunch works. Because they lean down to run on all fours. But hrothgar don't do that.

[Midareyukki]

Hrothgars defaulting to Roegadyn positions is a problem. They should have a bit more special animations for them since they're clearly meant to have animalistic traits. Like I'm sorry but this isn't just your average arthritis hands Miqo'te have, it's literally a spinal thing. They're meant to be animal-like, nor mimicking them like Miqo'te try to.

And this is honestly a problem that they reuse Roegadyn assets. Not just because they lose their intended animalistic trait, which already looks a bit naff on its own (they need to improve the hunch, let's be honest)...

...but have any of you noticed that Hrothgar "jolt" when Bards use Burst Shot?

There's this little jerk in their body where they kind of clunkily snap their bones to return to their idle position. I don't want to blame it entirely on it being reused Roegadyn assets, as I'm not qualified to actually say that with absolute confidence. But it is my best guess. It looks robotic.

[Roda]

Hrothgar can stand straight but can't run without having a hunchback is just looking bad.

Charr from gw2 looks awful in almost all armors... but dear lord they got such amazing animation that you Don't care about this issue.

Off topic, but I will die on the hill that if emet-selch/solus had a fursona, bangar would be it exactly.

[RyuDragnier]

Off topic, but I will die on the hill that if emet-selch/solus had a fursona, bangar would be it exactly.

Do not insult Emet-Selch by comparing him to Bangar. Bangar is more of an Ilberd or Varis. Late IBS Ryland is closer to Emet-Selch, IMO.

[Allegor]

Here's the thing. You're free to like the hunchback. I look at GW2 and I LIKE IT that the Charr have the hunchback, it feels organic.

The problem with FF14's hunchback though? It doesn't look organic. It doesn't feel natural in any way. It looks like I'm struggling to take a dump right there and then. And that's the problem. In their attempt to make the race look "animalistic", they're applying stuff that doesn't fit on Roegadyn. And we do very much have play-do roe bodies. So it comes off as really poorly made.

If we are to have a hunchback, at least make sure it fits. Make sure the race actually feels animalistic as clearly it's intended to. And not like I need imodium.

I actually agree. Normally I don't mind hunches (played Tauren, Worgen, Orc and Charr) but Hroth hunch is....weird. Like, rather than the spine bending forward, it just looks like their neck is twisted to look downwards in what's otherwise a normal straight spine. It's specially noticeable when moving - unless you have Runar hair or some hood to cover it up, it looks like someone karate chopped you on the nape and left a dent lol

Also, regarding different body types instead of cookie cut models, I saw on twitter someone with a mod that gave Hroths a belly, or well, at least lack of abs, and it was so cute to see a tubby cat dad lol

[RyuDragnier]

Yeah, the thing with Charr is that their running animation is on all fours. That's why the hunch works. Because they lean down to run on all fours. But hrothgar don't do that.

It would work if their emotes worked more with the hunchback. Like if the /doze emote in a bed was them curling up somewhat to sleep. Something that makes sense with the hunchback. But nothing really does.